edgecrusher Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 "Shall not be infringed" It is what it is. You don't want to be the guy who just says "fuck it". It won't end well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 The paperwork is a PITA.... well, at least I can make and own them as demo units as long as I have my FFL and SOT-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 The Form-1 really isn't that bad. A single sheet front and back. Now the wait...........................that's a fukin pain in the ass. DON'T, DON'T, DON'T assemble an SBR without the paperwork. It's not worth the consequences if you ever come across Officer hard-ass. Between the fine and the prison time (and yes.....they will make an example out of you.......the ATF doesn't have a sense of humor) it isn't worth it. Compared to a 6 to 9 month wait to do the Form-1. Don't hold my feet to the fire on this, but I believe that they can fine you (up to) $10,000, and (up to) 25 years (or maybe the other way around.....having a brain cramp moment) for possessing the above mentioned illegal firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyEJL Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 only a 30-45 day wait for a form 1 if you efile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Even better then. I haven't tried the efile yet. All of mine have been the old snail mail method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelDeVille Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Ohh there's Efile! Sweet! Questions still need to be submitted in writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyEJL Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 efile is only for trusts. But no need to submit the question, Nodak manufactured a rifle/pistol/firearm lower, you will be manufacturing the SBR. Otherwise nobody anywhere would ever need SBR engraving as any existing rifle already has a manufacturer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Ok so to clarify I just bought a complete lower stock springs buffer everything just add a upper and it woulf be a firearm, not on the way home idecide i want to SBR it so I get a form 1 will it have to be engraved and if so with exactly what> name of trust? city and state? some serial number? This poop is confusing can't they wriet it in english! PS I think I have caught deslexia!!! Edited February 5, 2015 by Magwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Name of trust, and city and state. No serial number. That's the way all of mine are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 RGR that , that is what I thought... thanks for the clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Anytime my brutha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 only if you aren't there. so long as you are still there, you are considered to have possession even if someone else is shooting it. the link I posted earlier challenges this assumption. points out that an ATF agent in a dickish mood could potentially consider this a transfer. the wording is a but vague. I wouldn't want to be the guy either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Protect yourself and family from this get a trust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 God, I hate all of the bull$hit rules that go with having class 3 $hit. But even if you're an individual, I'd still start a trust. If nothing else, just to cover anything (read as anybody) else that comes up in the future. A couple hundred bucks now.....can save a whole lotta pain in the future. just sayin.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azdryheat Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I only have one trust for everything and fail to see how two are better. Your trust should be the same for everything. A simple line that excludes any trustees from property that they are not legally allowed to own should be in any trust. For example, your minor children can't usually own your cars. I think the gun trust lawyers are just trying to sell more trusts. Another issue is schedule A. My trust owns a lot of things and just because it is not on a schedule does not mean the trust does not own it. Schedule A is great for making a clear case of ownership but I wouldn't get too wrapped up about it. FYI, I am not a lawyer or have never played one on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdoc Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 If you're set for a short barrel, why not do a pistol build? No NFA crap period? Just saying. I was also going to build a SBR in 300 BLK but after some research and thinking, I made a pistol. Glad I did, and it looks very similar to a SBR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, Jetdoc said: If you're set for a short barrel, why not do a pistol build? No NFA crap period? Just saying. I was also going to build a SBR in 300 BLK but after some research and thinking, I made a pistol. Glad I did, and it looks very similar to a SBR. @Jetdoc are you practicing necromancy??? This thread has been dead for almost 4 years. Even the OP hasn't been online since last Feb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdoc Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 it was Sunday moring.....no coffee , jees. I didn't even look at the date of the OP post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 No worries brother. PS. I totally agree with you on the pistol vs SBR. There's almost no reason to go through the hassle now. Pistols have more rights than SBR's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 56 minutes ago, Robocop1051 said: No worries brother. PS. I totally agree with you on the pistol vs SBR. There's almost no reason to go through the hassle now. Pistols have more rights than SBR's. Opposite in my state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, edgecrusher said: Opposite in my state. Neither one in my state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) I can take an AR "pistol" to any state that allows them without any kind of notification, whatsoever, to anyone. If I want to take an SBR to any other state than it's registered to, I have to ask the BATFE for permission, and receive that permission back, before I can do it... Pistol > SBR, as far as freedom goes. Ron is all OVER this, and has done it for 3 years now, to bring his stash to the Fall Shoots... @Rsquared Edited November 6, 2018 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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