ChaoticReason Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 I love reading about stuff I didn't know was out there! Has anyone run across any of these before? http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/05/02/utas-xtr-12-12-gauge-ar-shotgun-nra-17/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2017-05-06&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter I wonder if I could get an upper that would fit on my Gen 2 lower, or if I'd have to get the whole thing? Other than the flared mag well, is there any differences in the lowers from the LR's to the Gen 2 models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 I have no clue, probably need their lower. But talk about short range havoc in an AR platform! Time to surf the web and get more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 The DPMS Gen 2 stuff is worlds apart from the LR308 parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Im impressed. Want want want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Anyone law savvy when it comes to slapping a XTR12 upper on a .308AR PISTOL??? Does law say a pistol can't be converted to shoot shotgun shells? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 There's that archaic BATFE guidance that you can't make a pistol from a rifle. If it starts as a rifle, it can only be a rifle. However, if you start with a pistol, it can be rifle later, and convert back to pistol. Back when pistols were starting to become the rage, that was in one of their "determination letters" on a specific design (Thompson Contender, I think...). Other than that ^^^ interfering with anything, I don't know of anything else out there. Might have to check the BATFE rules and guidance on smooth-bores... *** I'm not a lawyer, and anything in this statement should not be construed as legal advice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Found this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: There's that archaic BATFE guidance that you can't make a pistol from a rifle. If it starts as a rifle, it can only be a rifle. However, if you start with a pistol, it can be rifle later, and convert back to pistol. Back when pistols were starting to become the rage, that was in one of their "determination letters" on a specific design (Thompson Contender, I think...). Other than that ^^^ interfering with anything, I don't know of anything else out there. Might have to check the BATFE rules and guidance on smooth-bores... *** I'm not a lawyer, and anything in this statement should not be construed as legal advice... Just imagining a short barreled upper that could be dropped on a 308AR pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Wasn't there some contravercy a few years back cuz someone was trying to put sig braces on short barrel shot guns and calling them "pistols". But short barrel shot guns can only be short barrel shot guns weather they have a pistol grip or not they're a "sawed off" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 I read update up on NFA rules. An AOW is a pistol/revolver with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell. To be a "pistol" the shotgun can never have had a stock on it. Only a pistol grip. In order to fall under the Taurus Judge exemption, we'd need a rifled barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Come to think of it... there's no ruling to how rifling is done... so if my 12" barrel had a 1:36 or 1:48 twist, that'd still be rifled... debate? what if the rifling was VERY shallow, being nothing more than a visual presence, and at a 1:1 twist, so it passes the rifling faster than the rifling can effect the shot??? debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Robocop1051 said: Come to think of it... there's no ruling to how rifling is done... so if my 12" barrel had a 1:36 or 1:48 twist, that'd still be rifled... debate? what if the rifling was VERY shallow, being nothing more than a visual presence, and at a 1:1 twist, so it passes the rifling faster than the rifling can effect the shot??? debate So a rifled slug barrel "should" be exceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Robocop1051 said: In order to fall under the Taurus Judge exemption, we'd need a rifled barrel. Wonder if a rifled choke would count? http://www.choketube.com/choke-tube-style-details.php?rifled-shotgun-choke-tubes&cts=28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, jtallen83 said: Wonder if a rifled choke would count? http://www.choketube.com/choke-tube-style-details.php?rifled-shotgun-choke-tubes&cts=28 I was thinking that too, I got one on my slug barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 1 hour ago, jtallen83 said: Wonder if a rifled choke would count? http://www.choketube.com/choke-tube-style-details.php?rifled-shotgun-choke-tubes&cts=28 Perhaps if it were permanently attached??? I can't find anything that says how much rifling is needed. In other news... here's some pics of the XTR-12 with a .308 mag inserted owner doesn't have a compatible LR308 upper to function check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticReason Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 22 hours ago, 98Z5V said: The DPMS Gen 2 stuff is worlds apart from the LR308 parts. I dad how the upper was different, and the BCG and whatnot, but how is the lower different? I showed my wife the video that @Robocop1051 posted, and she was like, "Oh, there's ANOTHER gun you want..." ? I never thought of a 12 gauge pistol... Very interesting! I like the way y'all spitball ideas around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticReason Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 ^^^ I read how the upper... darn auto correct. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 The G2 lower is about 3/4" shorter than a standard LR308, and just slightly larger than the AR15 (only at the magwell). Its definitely a superior design, but not really necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticReason Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 46 minutes ago, Robocop1051 said: The G2 lower is about 3/4" shorter than a standard LR308, and just slightly larger than the AR15 (only at the magwell). Its definitely a superior design, but not really necessary. So only a G2 upper will work with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 21 hours ago, ChaoticReason said: So only a G2 upper will work with it? NO. The DPMS G2 is entirely its own beast. Very few companies make G2 compatible parts. The XTR-12 is based on the more standard DPMS LR308 and KAC SR25 lowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 21 hours ago, ChaoticReason said: So only a G2 upper will work with it? Ummm, if I understand your question - the DPMS G2 upper will only work with, and fit, the DPMS G2 lower... Not completely sure what you were asking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticReason Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, 98Z5V said: Ummm, if I understand your question - the DPMS G2 upper will only work with, and fit, the DPMS G2 lower... Not completely sure what you were asking... I have a DPMS Gen2 AP4, and I was wondering if a UTR-12 upper would work with my lower? Or if any other DPMS LR upper would work with it? Or will I have to wait till they release their Gen2 stripped uppers to make a new rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, ChaoticReason said: I have a DPMS Gen2 AP4, and I was wondering if a UTR-12 upper would work with my lower? Or if any other DPMS LR upper would work with it? Those uppers will not work with a G2 lower. Only DPMS G2 uppers will work with DPMS G2 lowers. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Adams Arms makes a G2 upper too http://www.adamsarms.net/adams-arms-small-frame-308-pbr-upper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticReason Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: Those uppers will not work with a G2 lower. Only DPMS G2 uppers will work with DPMS G2 lowers. Period. So much for my hopes of building a 45 Raptor and getting a UTR-12 upper to put on top. Guess I'll just have to convince my wife that I need to get another rifle. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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