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P.O.U.S.'s (Projectiles Of Unusual Size)


Alamo

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Loaded some of the Hornady 208 gr HPBT's in .300 BLK. I don't shoot suppressed, so don't care particularly about subsonic loads other than from an academic standpoint to figure out how many grains of powder it takes in my specific gun in case I do want to do the "pew-pew" in the future. 

Loaded some with 10, 11 and 12 grains of H110. Anybody else loading these for max velocity? According to my calculations it would take 16+ grains of H110 to make a compressed load with this projectile. Hodgdon load data lists max load as 15.6 gr for the 180 gr SPR SP, but doesn't list a max for the 208 gr since it's a subsonic load. I figure maybe 14 grains or so is about right for max on the 208 gr.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

Made 10 each of experimental hollow points by trimming down to 1.3" and 1.2". Will see how low I can go velocitywise and still get expansion. My aim is to have the top 1/3 of the bullet fragment to deliver a lot of initial energy on impact while the big heavy base continues on afterwards to ensure adequate penetration.

 

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Trimmed weight (+/- 0.1) is 205 for the 1.3" and 202.5 for the 1.2". Wanted to seat them as long as possible to help them feed better with less jostling in the magazine so I started out with the 1.3's seated to 2.250... performed the Redneck Chamber Test and determined that was too long. Moved back to 2.175 and that chambered, but I could feel it was right up on there. Moved back to 2.150 and tested all the rounds to ensure function. 1.2's are seated to 2.050 which follows the same profile, also tested all these as well.

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Made some dummy rounds to test how they feed from a magazine. The 1.3” feed fine... but the mouth on the 1.2” is a little wide and tends to get caught up on the ramp, so I am pulling those. I also tried seating the 1.3” as far back as 2.050” OAL and they still feed with no problems. No contact with the lands even at 2.150” OAL when using the bolt catch to feed from the mag. 

I am getting some concentric circular marks on the ogive... perhaps from the feed ramp?

 

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Here are the results from when I created the 168 gr version. I’m pretty pleased with them so far. SD is good, hoping to keep it down and even improve as sample size increases. Ballistics chart is for a zero of about 13 yds... 4.7” high at 100 yds ands 4.6” low at 200 still retaining 665 ft lbs of energy at that distance, though I wouldn’t expect any kind of expansion. Expansion is pictured at 50 and 75 yds... expanded diameter difference is apparent from exit hole.

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As promised... the tale of the tape:

Long Eared Galoots

Shot them though my PSA upper 8.5” barrel 1-8” twist. Powder is H110, primer CCI #450. Temp approx 90 F.

10gr 

OAL 2.260

1183

1251

1236

1181

1260

No pressure

Does not engage LSHO

SD 37.69

Avg 1222.2

 

11gr

OAL 2.260

1322

1346

1339

1324

1279

No pressure 

LSHO engages sporadically

SD 26.06

Avg 1322

 

12gr

OAL 2.260

1454

1435

1424

1454

1372

No pressure

LSHO good

SD 33.73 

Avg 1427.8

 

POUS’s (modified hollow points)

OAL 2.150

13 gr

1534

1541

1517

1520

1544

Mild flattening 

Some slight cratering 

SD 12.19

Avg 1531.2

Jug obliterated at 50 yds... next expansion testing at 75 & 100 yds. I think I will just download the powder for lower velocity to simulate 75 & 100 yds. Judging from the chrony results, each 1 gr of powder increases velocity 100 fps.  Looking at the ballistics table, 11 gr should give a velocity at the muzzle approximating 13 gr velocity at 100 yds.

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Some close ups of the exit damage of the modified hollow points.  You can see, distinct and separate from the long rips caused by the hydrostatic shockwave, the jagged circular holes punched as the projectile exits the back of the jug. These holes form a “permanent” cavity where the material is totally missing as opposed to the rips, which can be pushed back together to make the jug (somewhat) whole again.

Contrast to the exit hole from the unmodified version.

 

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I’m definitely down for catching one of these things to see exactly what it’s doing. Need to save up some water jugs, should have something back in the next couple of weeks or so.

Here’s some from my caught collection... from left to right: 9mm 147 gr Federal Hydra-Shok Tactical, .45 230 gr Federal Hydra-Shok Tactical, .308 168 gr Barnes TTSX, .45 230 gr Winchester Ranger Talon.

Also some pics from when I caught the Barnes... shot immediately after with a Hornady Amax, but that bullet went bye bye... you can see it in the upper right corner of the 2nd to last picture.

 

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  • 1 month later...

Caught bullets today, .223’s and Blackouts (used a cooler full of wet pack)... left to right:

Barnes 70 gr TSX .223, Hornady 75 gr ELD Match .223, Nosler 155 gr CC HPBT .308, Hornady 168 gr BTHP Match .308, Hornady 208 gr BTHP Match .308 Supersonic, Hornady 208 gr BTHP Match Subsonic

Some notes:

I was very impressed by the size of the permanent cavity created by that little Barnes bullet.

155 gr mushroomed real well, looks like it would make a nice manstopper.

168 gr also mushroomed real nice and kept a good bit of weight in the base, be a good hunting round for larger game.

I think the 208 gr Supersonic would work well on a thicker skinned animal like a large hog or even a bear at short range.

The tip of the 208 gr Subsonic flattened nicely as well... but I won’t be continuing production on that one, not enough ooomph to reliably cycle the action... will be working up a load with a heavier projectile.

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The chrony #’s:

208 gr Hornady 9.2 gr h110 trimmed to 1.25”

1090 fps ftf 

1103 fps fed next round

1113 fps 

1110 fps ftf 

1111

Avg 1105.4

SD 9.39

 

12.5 gr h110

1384 fps

1373 fps

1378 fps

1368 fps

1383 fps

Avg 1377.2

SD 6.76

 

155 gr Nosler CC trimmed to .975” 16 gr h110

1787 fps

1780 fps

1783 fps

1778 fps

1775 fps

Avg 1780.6

SD 4.61

Some flattening, mild cratering

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3 hours ago, jtallen83 said:

Excellent reporting! Nice to get this firsthand information.

Thank you sir... I’m having a lot of fun with it and I haven’t shot my eye out (yet - knock on skull) ... and I’m getting some workable ammunition out of it, so I reckon I’m doing OK so far. :thumbup:

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7 hours ago, Alamo said:

155 gr Nosler CC trimmed to .975” 16 gr h110

1787 fps

1780 fps

1783 fps

1778 fps

1775 fps

Avg 1780.6

 

This is very close to my standard 300BLK load, Hornady 150gr FMJ-BT and 16.1gr H110.  Excellent accuracy and good punch.

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