Jump to content
308AR.com Community
  • Visit Aero Precision
  • Visit Brownells
  • Visit EuroOptic
  • Visit Site
  • Visit Beachin Tactical
  • Visit Rainier Arms
  • Visit Ballistic Advantage
  • Visit Palmetto State Armory
  • Visit Cabelas
  • Visit Sportsmans Guide
Exhail

Sights, what is the best?

Recommended Posts

Disclaimer: I am not a military dude, nor an expert.

In my research, I have come to the conclusion that iron sights really are the best. Why? Every Marine must qualify at 500 yards with iron sights, (Marines add your opinion).

Iron sights pride an open filed of view, unlike optics. They are good for a long ways. Red dots are almost the cost of another rifle. If you want to shoot past 500 yards, I"ll definitely need an optic. But inside 500 yards, irons are fine for me. Just my opinion, and offering this for your consideration before you spend $$$ on a red dot.

I prefer iron sights. They are superior to me.

2ziolxl.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm retired Military and was a small arms instructor for my 19 of my 20 years of service.

Difficult to beat the peep sight set-up on modern military platforms.  They work because your eye will automatically center the post in the center of the aperture almost like it's instinctive.  

The size of the hole and how fine the post is will have some effect on accuracy, especially at longer distances.

Something few folks factor into the deal is the position of the sun when sighting in (or other light sources in position to the weapon).  Unless it's directly overhead the sun can light up one side of the post a tad more than the other and make rounds go slightly left or right depending on how your eye picks up on that deal.  So it is always best to sight in on a day when it's cloudy or directly overhead putting equal amounts of light on both sides of the post.

The downside of peep and other types of Military sights is that you are having to line up two things, so they are not as quick for acquisition like Red Dots and holographic sights.

They are also not as good in low light conditions.

Even with all that said if you ever doubt the capabilities of the peep sight attend a 1000 yard match one day and watch shooters punch the ten ring with deadly consistency with those "primitive" sight set-ups........Cliff 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Cunuckgaucho said:

 

Views down the sights of historical military firearms

https://imgur.com/a/ZM7IX?gallery#46

That's neat as all get out. thanks for that link..iron sights are awesome and I agree the best, but when the eyes get old and tired and don't focus like they used to a scope is best for longer shooting.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

+ 2 or 3 on that deal.  I can't hear chit, can't see chit, and don't much give a chit these days, and I'm only 60!.....LOL......Cliff

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
54 minutes ago, Belt Fed said:

That's neat as all get out. thanks for that link..iron sights are awesome and I agree the best, but when the eyes get old and tired and don't focus like they used to a scope is best for longer shooting.

Oh yeah,  I once thought using a scope was almost cheating.  No longer do I think that way,  my eyes are no longer as trustworthy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In the late 1980's I shot a 19-10/4X on the slow fire course at a Military only match.  I was around 30 years old at that time.  As good as my score was I ended up 6th overall.  I was using an US Navy Armory built M-14 custom Match Rifle converted to semi-auto.  That weapon would literally put every single round in the SAME hole with just about any batch of Lake City Match 308 I put thru it.  It was one of the few weapons I've owned over the years that truly shot better than the jerk-behind-the-trigger!.......LOL.......Cliff

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

M1 Garand/M14 sights get my vote. On the AR some variation of GI spec that has been offered. Not fond of carting around glass on a rifle but as others have pointed out, time passing has a way of making iron sights become  how one used to look at things.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Inet said:

M1 Garand/M14 sights get my vote. On the AR some variation of GI spec that has been offered. Not fond of carting around glass on a rifle but as others have pointed out, time passing has a way of making iron sights become  how one used to look at things.

The M14 sight picture is by far my favorite. It just feels so natural. I do own a scope, but I was considering on what my AR10 would have on a regular basis. I've been looking around at different options. I just cant find anything better than the old school irons. Lightens my my rifle too 😃

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you have a flat top AR10 give the Matech a try on the rear. I picked a new one up for 40.00 shipped on Ebay. Fully adjustable , metal construction, GI issue. Works a treat with the standard gas block sight or a fixed variation off the hand guard dovetail.

DSC04540.JPG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Cliff R said:

I'm retired Military and was a small arms instructor for my 19 of my 20 years of service.

Difficult to beat the peep sight set-up on modern military platforms.  They work because your eye will automatically center the post in the center of the aperture almost like it's instinctive.  

The size of the hole and how fine the post is will have some effect on accuracy, especially at longer distances.

Something few folks factor into the deal is the position of the sun when sighting in (or other light sources in position to the weapon).  Unless it's directly overhead the sun can light up one side of the post a tad more than the other and make rounds go slightly left or right depending on how your eye picks up on that deal.  So it is always best to sight in on a day when it's cloudy or directly overhead putting equal amounts of light on both sides of the post.

The downside of peep and other types of Military sights is that you are having to line up two things, so they are not as quick for acquisition like Red Dots and holographic sights.

They are also not as good in low light conditions.

Even with all that said if you ever doubt the capabilities of the peep sight attend a 1000 yard match one day and watch shooters punch the ten ring with deadly consistency with those "primitive" sight set-ups........Cliff 

You make a good argument for both. It's so easy to waste money on gun stuff that I just really don't need. The iron sights feel the most  comfortable to  me. Which is great considering weight and performance. Choosing Iron sights is such a low drag  system inside 500 yards. I'm going to be shopping today for some good fixed irons.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Inet said:

If you have a flat top AR10 give the Matech a try on the rear. I picked a new one up for 40.00 shipped on Ebay. Fully adjustable , metal construction, GI issue. Works a treat with the standard gas block sight or a fixed variation off the hand guard dovetail.

DSC04540.JPG

I like those =) very cool!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 hours ago, Exhail said:

Disclaimer: I am not a military dude, nor an expert.

In my research, I have come to the conclusion that iron sights really are the best. Why? Every Marine must qualify at 500 yards with iron sights, (Marines add your opinion).

Iron sights pride an open filed of view, unlike optics. They are good for a long ways. Red dots are almost the cost of another rifle. If you want to shoot past 500 yards, I"ll definitely need an optic. But inside 500 yards, irons are fine for me. Just my opinion, and offering this for your consideration before you spend $$$ on a red dot.

I prefer iron sights. They are superior to me.

2ziolxl.jpg

These do look like adequate Iron Back Up Sights.....

Yes,   All of us Marines  did and do qualify out to 500 Yds. with Iron sights, most do so in Boot camp at the age of 17 to a few as old as I was  (22 years old  I turned 23 during my 2nd week in MCRD,  after college, back in 1960) after 30 or so years later many have eyesight not quite so good. I still can see thru iron sights out to about 300 Yards on a nice sunny day.  However, I may not be the everyday normal old guy, My problem isn't just vision but mainly mobility.

Optics are the chosen sights for Marine, Army,  Navy and Air Force Sniper teams. Just thought I should even up the subject at hand....Shooting with a rifle.

**** BTW I forgot to say Marines at the Boot Camp practice, Pre-Quals and Qual day have a crew in the butts Marking  and scoring their targets so that the shooters can see where they hit the targets with their neck-id eyes at the 200, 300 and 500 yard lines.  

Edited by mrmackc

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Cliff R said:

+ 2 or 3 on that deal.  I can't hear chit, can't see chit, and don't much give a chit these days, and I'm only 60!.....LOL......Cliff

It gets worse as you get older brother 👍

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Cunuckgaucho said:

 

Views down the sights of historical military firearms

https://imgur.com/a/ZM7IX?gallery#46

That was very cool - I love the adjustable sights on the M1 Carbine - they rock!

For those of you running the MaTech rear sites, get one of these for them -theBAD-BSM:

https://tnvc.com/shop/b-a-d-bracket-screw-for-matech-buis/

They might be hard to find now - I don't know if BAD still makes them. Couldn't find it on their website.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When I was on active duty the Basic Rifle Marksmanship Course was always fired with iron sights.   In the early 1980's we still had some Viet Nam era M-16 A-1's around with the slower twist barrels and harder to adjust sights and they did fine for beginners.  Can't remember anyone I couldn't get qualified.

We also had 1000" targets when longer ranges weren't available.......Cliff

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, mrmackc said:

These do look like adequate Iron Back Up Sights.....

Yes,   All of us Marines  did and do qualify out to 500 Yds. with Iron sights, most do so in Boot camp at the age of 17 to a few as old as I was  (22 years old  I turned 23 during my 2nd week in MCRD,  after college, back in 1960) after 30 or so years later many have eyesight not quite so good. I still can see thru iron sights out to about 300 Yards on a nice sunny day.  However, I may not be the everyday normal old guy, My problem isn't just vision but mainly mobility.

Optics are the chosen sights for Marine, Army,  Navy and Air Force Sniper teams. Just thought I should even up the subject at hand....Shooting with a rifle.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll take an Aimpoint over iron sights any day of the week and twice on Tuesday. They can be had for around $275 if you shop around for a used one. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...