Buffer, Spring, and Tube

[midmo-j]

Been looking around internet, even called a gun store. Not finding an answer, so here goes.

I want to own a single lower and swap between a 16" carbine upper and a 24" rifle upper.

One brand has a rifle-length buffer/spring/tube combo for fixed stock, and a carbine-length buffer/spring/tube combo for adjustable stock.

Adjustable stock has some slop which might affect accuracy at longer distances, but I'm not taking 1000yd sniper shots so I'm not that concerned. When going from carbine to rifle, I'd simply rather not change the stock or tube.

Do I HAVE to change out the buffer?

If I HAVE to change the buffer, can I go to a different WEIGHT buffer of same length, or is there something magical about the rifle-length buffer?

[shooterrex]

Just use whatever recoil system and stock you prefer. The uppers barrel length has nothing to do with the stock configuration as long as the gas port and tube are set up properly.

[Armed Eye Doc]

Shooterrex is right.  You can use whatever stock you want, rifle or carbine.  It doesn't matter which.  You need to have a buffer that weighs about 5.6oz with either one though.  A proper gas system in whatever length barrel will be overwhelmed by a lighter buffer.

[midmo-j]

Thanks. I've been poking around other places and it seems I and other newbs have been tripped up by marketing nomenclature. If they dropped the "Rifle-length" and "Carbine-length" nonsense and just stuck with "A2 format" and "Adjustable Mil-Spec format", we could drill straight to buffer weight being the operative variable within a chosen format.

The Aero Precision 308 Carbine Buffer Kit I bought has a 3.8oz 2-9/16" buffer. Both uppers will also have adjustable gas blocks. I'll see how all that plays together once all the other parts get here. I just wish I knew a lot sooner that a guy could buy parts and build his own.

[98Z5V]

5 minutes ago, midmo-j said:

Thanks. I've been poking around other places and it seems I and other newbs have been tripped up by marketing nomenclature.

Read this before you spend any more money. 

 

[midmo-j]

WOW! Sounds like you've been around the world a few times with this issue. So, would I be better off returning the Aero buffer kit and getting an Armalite AR10REKIT01 buffer kit for my DPMS Gen1 pattern receiver from LiveFreeArms.com?

Thanks for the heads up on the inbetween drilling. Am I correct that a DPMS bcg is NOT compatible with an Armalite barrel?

Because I'm already committed to the DPMS pattern, if I get one of those fucked-up barrels, I should be able to tap/plug the existing port (tap and plug, not weld; don't want to risk warping the barrel), drill out a properly-placed port, and use Armalite-branded gas tubes. That along with the Armalite buffer kit, I'm thinking I should be to Stoner spec. Yes? No?

I'm not trying to be cheap-ass to win a medal, but I AM on a limited budget.

[edgecrusher]

Yes to the Armalite kit. An Armalite barrel needs an Armalite bolt. 

[Albroswift]

6 hours ago, midmo-j said:

I should be able to tap/plug the existing port (tap and plug, not weld;

You can have a custom tube made, I think the company we use is White Oak Armament, if you don't want to fuk with the barrel

[DNP]

^^^that is the better solution. 

[midmo-j]

3 hours ago, Albroswift said:

You can have a custom tube made, I think the company we use is White Oak Armament, if you don't want to fuk with the barrel

Does WOA make a 308? Closest I'm seeing is a 7.62, and everywhere I've read says you can't use 308 cartridge in 7.62 chamber due to 308 being longer.

Edited January 12 by midmo-j
DERP! You said tube. My bad.

[midmo-j]

Thanks e'r one. I think I might be in business now.

[Matt.Cross]

37 minutes ago, midmo-j said:

Does WOA make a 308? Closest I'm seeing is a 7.62, and everywhere I've read says you can't use 308 cartridge in 7.62 chamber due to 308 being longer.

Old wives tales, not true at all.

[unforgiven]

Pressure difference .308 63K and 7.62 50K psi. not an issue with modern rifles. Could be a problem for old Military surplus.

[98Z5V]

10 hours ago, unforgiven said:

Pressure difference .308 63K and 7.62 50K psi. not an issue with modern rifles. Could be a problem for old Military surplus.

^^^  AND...   Back In The Day...   when the military was testing 7.62 NATO ammo, the way to measure pressure was completely different than the methods used to test and measure the civilian equipment/ammo... 

[ARTrooper]

I just put my cartridge in the hole and if it fits, it eventually goes bang 🤣

[Armed Eye Doc]

1 hour ago, ARTrooper said:

I just put my cartridge in the hole and if it fits, it eventually goes bang 🤣

And that's why you keep having babies.  Lol

[ARTrooper]

6 hours ago, Armed Eye Doc said:

And that's why you keep having babies.  Lol

I only have 3 and I can’t have anymore. Lol

[edgecrusher]

11 hours ago, ARTrooper said:

I only have 3 and I can’t have anymore. Lol

Quitter

[98Z5V]

17 hours ago, ARTrooper said:

I only have 3 and I can’t have anymore. Lol

That whole process almost killed you, brother.  That was nuts.  Wow, wrong words to use in that,    but you know what I mean.  That was crazy.

[98Z5V]

5 hours ago, edgecrusher said:

Quitter

Nobody likes a quitter.  @Matt.Cross can almost field his own baseball team now. 

[ARTrooper]

6 hours ago, 98Z5V said:

That whole process almost killed you, brother.  That was nuts.  Wow, wrong words to use in that,    but you know what I mean.  That was crazy.

Yeah worst decision ever. Lol