Thank you for the information..but as of now I have not gotten into reloading....I have about 900 rounds of Federal Match Grade 168gr BTHP....but they are not want I want to hunt with... I did find a couple of boxes of TED NUGENT ammo 165gr..I do believe they are Barnes 165gr TTSX...they shoot well...I hunt with a DPMS Sportacle with a 16" barrel..VERY nice grouping @ 100 yards...