thanks guys Robocop let me know when you get your JP would like to know what you think .... I had a topic if anyone had handled a Christians arms model and it got moved to there spot on here didn't stay in General discussion. It's a toss up right now between the OBR ,GA or ChristiansArms I have re done my budget and it will be end of year before I can make a move cause I want to save for optics and bi pod to mount all at once. any optics and bi pod recommendations are very welcomed