MaDuce- You completely missed the point. I'm sure your rifles are cool and just what you want. The thread isn't about which particular attribute "they" find offensive on my rifles, it's about the fact that they want to take away freedoms in the name of security. Ben Franklin said "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety!" Another way to say it is "Whoever trades freedom for comfort soon has neither." I still have some rifles with thumb hole stocks, like I said, you missed the point.