beachmaster

I dont think they are saving money, because they are going from a 7029 extrusion to 7075 forged. Not only that, but a new more proprietary design will initially cost more. If anything, I feel like dpms standardized thear308 market somewhat by doing things at a level average Joe could afford, and saved up capital to create the high end product they wanted to make from the beginning. You can watch the evolution from a 6061 extrusion, to more added features, to 7029, then here with the 7075 forging. But hey, maybe I am way off and your right. One way or another, obviously they are releasing the product to make more money one way or the other ;-)

How do you tell the difference visually between the normal dpms upper and the light? Im not talking about the special receiver, the light receiver has a shell deflector, forward assist, and dust cover.

Yeah, it is still supposed to be 8.5 lbs right? Thats not even a weight change... alot of their rifles are 8.5lbs, and s&w's m&p10 is 7.75 or something... Still looks awesome to me. I hope its not so proprietary for long.

Thats good info Robocop

I am excited to see if the aftermarket can pick this up and run with it. It looks like a great direction for dpms to take, although I wish this is the direction they had taken from the beginning.

the metal buis should be fine, but the polymer ones aren't supposed to go on a gas block mount if that is the setup you are running.

Haha, I realised after I posted and tried to delete it. Sorry for digging up old crap.

Is this still for sale? Do you have a new picture to post up? Im assuming its a cmmg upper?

I had to put bread on the table this month, so I went the dpms route. I hope I dont end up regretting all of it, but if I do, lesson learned. Hopefully everything goes smoothly!

Well, what about the syrac route? It has click adjustments that stay in place, you adjust it 2 clicks past what you need for your lightest ammo, and it will be a overgassed for heavier stuff, but not as bad as full open. J guess the greatest benefit to it would be the lightweight bcg and buffer assembly, because you could turn the gas down enough to be reliable with any ammo always, but have less reciprocating mass... I am just going to have to wait until I have ALOT more cash, probably buy another dedicated Ar 308, and let you guys know lol until then I guess all I am doing is skipping stones. I appreciate the info though.

Haha I agree that I need to shoot and tune my rifle before changing anything. I am just trying to figure things out is all. I think recoil is going to be simple math. Maybe a bit more complicated that velocity x mass, but if you were to tune a rifle down on gas, with a lighter bolt setup, you have the same lock speed (less gas) and lower weight = less recoil. Again, I could be way off. Im not saying its best for anyone. And I wont be upgrading my gas block for a good little while unless I have issues with mine. Clearly I have my own mechanical issues to work on right now. Hopefully I will have bandaided what I have so I can start learning what my rifle likes and is doing.

Hey, im a new guy, and I have been reading alot about buffer springs and buffers today because, you guessed it, I needed them. But while I was looking at some heavy buffers and springs that were a little more expensive that I thought they should be, I realized they advertised that it cured overgassed rifles. My question is, if you want to cure an overgassed rifle, wouldn't it be smarter to purchase a nice adjustable gas block instead? It seems to me that a heavy buffer and spring to cure an over gassed rifle is like putting a bandaid on your elbow for a bruised knee. Shouldn't you insteadget an adjustable gas block to have a properly gassed rifle? Seems to me that would fix the overgassed issue, make the rifle run cleaner, reduce recoil, and minimize abuse all at once. In fact, it seems feasible to go with a jp lightweight bcg, and a light we buffer and spring with an adjustable gas block for minimum recoil and weight. What are your thoughts?

Wow, awesome info. I checked out the Fulton armory stuff, and it ended up being a bit pricey... I double checked things on brownels and got the full set by dpms with that super ugly pardus stock for $56, a magpul ctr stock, and a high standard (I think) spring and detent. Oh, and they have magpul 20 rnd mags for $16 so I picked on of those up as well. :-D Im sure the quality wont be on par with the fulton armory gear, but the real reason I went this route was some guy showed an incorrect way of removing the magpul acs stock... I tried it, not understanding the mechanism, and thinking it was more similar to the issue buttstock I had, and I ripped the cantilever lever right off. So it begins... this is how I must learn every time I guess :/

That sounds likely... it looks like he cut into the buffer tube to wrap around the detent. Since there are plenty of threads left, so that the buffer tube could be threaded in further, what if I cut his whole debacle off, smoothed the edges, then screw it back in so the flat edge barely holds the detent in place, then lock it in?

I wont be shooting it for awhile anyways... I need a ft tube with a top rail and a front buis anyways... im selling the scope to a buddy.

You can see that the top of the detent that I found in the rifle it bent... I dont seem to have any resistance or grinding as the bolt travels in either direction. From the pictures do you think he could have fixed the problem and its just ugly? The the buffer damage made a slight deformation which stuck out on the edge, so I very slowly sanded it, then took a polishing wheel to it until it was smooth, removing very little material. Now all of its edges are smooth. So is the issue I have caused by the cmmg lower, or the buffer tube? What should I do from here? Do I buy a new buffer and spring? Or is that putting a bandaid on my elbow for a broken knee? If I do need to buy a buffer and spring, what should i get? (Brand, weight spring, weight and style buffer, etc) The guy I bought it off of said he had a adjustable gas block on it at first, but it shot so well without it that it didn't need it... im sure... lol it will get a syrac eventually. Against everything I have already experienced from this guy, I should probably dig my heals in and expect the worst. My buddy said I should just sell it, but I couldn't bring myself to sell a questionable firearm.

And thanks Robocop! I needed this forum!

As far as I can tell, besides being incredibly ugly, the upper doesn't seem to have any issues. I haven't been able to fire it yet. I was thinking about having a local gunsmith check everything out. The guy I bought the rifle from said he didn't have to headspace the bolt because it was a black rain bolt and black rain barrel... it is clearly a dpms bolt... He also gave it to me slightly dirty. I think he only shot it maybe ten times (probably because it had issues) Since being super cleaned and lightly lived, everything seems smooth and nice now. Should I hold off on shooting it until it gets checked out by a GunSmith?

Hi, I would like to sell my "Ar Stoner Helical" Stainless mable brake. $50 or a heavy buffer. I will post another picture tonight. I would also like to sell or trade the DPMS FF forgrip shown in the picture above. Ill let it go for a box of ammo or $20 I broke and repaired the magpul stock. It functions perfectly. Ill take a box of nice ammo, two boxes of surplus, or $40 If you want the scope rings, Ill take $5 plus shipping and paypal. (I would estimate a total of $12)

Hello, my name is Jacob beach. I sold the Ak47 that I bought new when i was 8, along with all of its tasteful modifications and 1880 rnds of ammo, so that i could enter the world of the ar308 :-) But already I have made some mistakes. First off, I should have waited for windham weaponry to release their src308 because for 1100 I could have had a forged 7075 t6 upper and lower, cranium chromoly barrel, chrome lined, with a medium gas system, and a life time warranty, brand new. But I didn't want the feds having my info for my number one meat winner, and rights defender. So i bought a used ar308... a used, made by some moron, ar308... Without going into detail about the lies I was told, or the embarrassing price I paid, I need some help with a few issues. First off... Are these properly staked? They dont look at all like my old POS m4... they are very shallow, and one sided. (Sounds like my wife describing me) I dont want to offend any redneckdrummer masters , being that I am one, but really? I looked at all of this much closer after this just fell out of the weapon when it was split for cleaning. So, he has had some detent issues... and went the garage hacksaw route. The current detent works, but it seems I cant get the buffer out without depressing the detent, the slapping the receiver on the ground, at which point the buffer shoots out. Too strong of a detent spring? Please... someone square me away. I am new, and need guidance. Also, I am looking to trade the muzzle brake and buttock. Im looking for a lightweight buttstock (even an Moe + some boot would be fine) and a compensator (like the badger mini setup) The rifles parts, so far as I can tell, are as follows. -cmmg lower -dpms upper -dpms bcg -dpms parts kit -Dpms std forgrip(cant wait to Chuck it!) -black rain ordnance 18" mid length barrel -lp gas block (non adjustable junk) -Moe + grip (goodbye) -acs stock (goodbye) -Ar stoner stainless muzzle brake (please take it from me) Thanks for everything in advance guys! I look forward to being an active member! -