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1st of all, thank you for this post. Useless humor is always welcome to break up certain types of discourse.

Try dry-fire pulling your S3G very slowly and very deliberately. You should feel yourself pulling against the static friction of the surfaces initially and then feel less resistance as the friction becomes rolling/sliding friction. If the pull on the S3G was shorter, the distinction between the two types of friction would be virtually imperceptible and it doesn't exist at all when you ride it to reset. As for the SSA and SSA-E, what I described is what I feel with my trigger finger. Everyone has minor differences in how they pull the trigger that affects how they interact with a fire control system. Also, the Geissele triggers may be combat triggers but on a 308 AR and actually most any gun I own, I want a reliable target trigger not a modified combat trigger wanting to be a target trigger. I know this goes against most tactical/defense schools of thought but it's my guns and my life and my opinion. Geissele triggers are nice if you are satisfied with typical AR-type trigger pulls (though smoother and lighter), but they are far from satisfying if you are used to a good bolt gun or 1911 trigger. For me this is what the JP and the AR Gold feel like respectively. Sorry, but I am just not happy with how the Geissele triggers are portrayed as some evolutionary leap in AR trigger systems. In my opinion they are just very nice modified AR triggers that are still reflective of the original design.

JPs can be self-installed but they usually involve some fitting to get it to come out correctly. They are usually not just drop-in. I believe they have instructional videos showing how to fit the trigger and time the disconnector. The Geissele triggers seem too inconsistent and unpredictable. The S3G doesn't really know if it wants to be a two-stage or single-stage. If I pull very slowly, there are two-stages (though nearly imperceptible) to the trigger. If I pull quickly, it feels like a long-ish single stage (as compared to the JP). And the SSA and SSA-E can have its second stage too easily bypassed (at least with my finger), effectively making them a long pull single stage. The only thing I might find as an advantage to the Geissele is the S3Gs very perceptible and positive reset. In this aspect, it surpasses both the JP and the Gold but the shorter trigger travel on the JP and Gold far outweigh the Geissele trigger's positive reset.

I intend to put it up for sale as soon as I get it out of the rifle. As for JP not being up to par, I have to ask if the JP was self-installed or installed by JP themselves. The JPs I've tried were installed by JP and were far superior to the Geissele triggers I've tried in every way (less overtravel, shorter reset, consistent/predictable break, smoother pull). I have not tried the Geissele Hi-Speed triggers but I have tried the SSA, SSA-E, and S3G. For two-stage triggers, I would rather have a Rock River NM that was tuned and polished than either of the 2-stage Geissele triggers I've tried.

Have any of the three respondents to my post above tried any of the triggers I've mentioned and compared it to the Geissele or are you just comparing the Geissele to the even crappier mil-spec triggers that are out there? Geissele triggers are just dressed up mil-spec triggers which may be fine for the tactical set used to horrible triggers. The triggers I've mentioned are top of the line precision triggers.

Geissele is way overrated. If you want a great trigger than go with a JP or AR Gold. I cannot regret enough my decision to experiment with Geissele. Long trigger pull and reset. Its basically a worked up mil-spec trigger and not worth the coin spent.

Well I'm not planning on using any mil ammo. I'm not being cheap on this build so no point on being cheap on the ammo. Primary purpose of this gun will be hunting and bench fun and I want it standardized for a particular factory hunting ammo. I guess I'll wait unit this thing is ready to complete or if I find a great deal on either of the Gold triggers. Thanks Btw, you say it has a bigger hammer but imschur's photos seem to show a hammer with the same size as my AR Gold. Do you have both for comparison?

Any more info on this? What are the differences between the AR15 and 308 model? Why can't I just use the AR15 model?

Actually, the Geissele S2S is supposed to directly compete with the RRA NM 2-stage trigger and it is comparably priced. On an AR-15, I've been able to compare a tuned RRA NM vs. a Geissele SSA and I liked the RRA a bit better. The tuned RRA felt smoother. I'm not sure about the durability though as the Geissele is said to use better materials.

:-[ Oops. I meant does the SR Gold have a longer trigger pull than the AR Gold? Or are they the same?

AFAIK, they are Wilson Blanks that JP finishes and has cryogenically treated. This is for their .223 barrels but I believe also for their .308 barrels.

The Wilson website now says the TTU is DPMS LR-308 compatible. Anyone try it and can anyone compare it to the ATC SR Gold? I've recently committed to my first LR-308 compatible build and these two triggers are the front runners. I have the AR Gold in my AR-15 and it gives me complete confidence that any problems with accuracy are not trigger related. Btw, is it true that the SR Gold has a longer trigger pull than the AR Gold. Lastly, 'imschur' in your photos some of the pics look like it shows the SR Gold hammer having pits in the metal. Please tell me this is not so. My AR Gold is machined flawlessly.

It looks like on their website that the Wilson TTU is DPMS LR-308 compatible. Has anyone been able to confirm this? Also, has anyone been able to compare it to an AR Gold?