Thanks for the replies. Oz, I have thought about another caliber, but that is one more caliber to buy for and to reload as i have numerous other 308 guns to feed so i buy in bulk when i can. Miikedaddy, 19lbs is alot to carry and sub moa sounds good. Russ, I have a dmps lr-308 in a 16" barrel as i was shooting it this morning off a table and the stock collapsed on me and bringing the charging handle to my eyglasses, it was WTF. being the table had a v-rest for the handguard I had my left hand under the stock and my hand hit the slide release of the stock :eek:. I have a lathe and bridgeport mill in my shop and was thinking I can cut the barrel shorter and reprofile the barrel and/or flute it, but to what lenght and diameter/s without loosing any moa? What brownells wants for the complete upper doesnt seem to bad for the price, so i am keeping my options open to more ideas. Thanks Brent