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That's an interesting perception twist for muddying the waters, but it has nothing to do with what Governor Lee Dreyfus was talking about : market value, and valuing our natural resources for the future generations. We are now beyond what Gov. Dreyfus was talking about per pricing, and valuing fresh water more than oil by USD values. The petroleum corporations see this and are using these extreme guerrilla marketing tactics in order to twist perception that oil is more important than clean water : Americans for Prosperity literally holds workshops and instructs their recruits on how to lie, for instance, in online/Forum scenarios about subjects like this. As British Petroleum continues to pollute our waters at will, control perceptions via the "Merchants of Doubt" about oil spills, lies about spill volume as they did here in Wisconsin, we lose more of the fresh water, and this is not a renewable resource. There is not a set of options for producing synthetic water. LOL. It's not an extreme idea to see that the more oil which is spilled into fresh water, the less fresh water we have. Some friends bought a boat slip down on the Gulf side of FLA to put their sailboat into for winters. (Obviously salt water.) They did this about a year before the BP Deepwater Horizon spill of 200 some million gallons. Last month they saw rubber tar sheets wash up on their shores. Who is it that wants to be around a rubberized oil slick washing up on the shore? LOL! Nobody. Who wants to eat the seafood? Nobody. Who's going fishing in that? The uninformed. Get informed and pass it on.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/04/22/Exclusive-Greg-Abbott-to-BLM-Come-and-Take-It AG Abbott has no time for the Merchants of Doubt, says " Come and take it." Imagine that-a public official who understands that his authority comes from The People, and not the corporate fascists. Wow, that's cool...

No, "who took the contract" is per which manufacturer is going to fulfill it. I see it's still open.

http://www.doi.gov/news/pressreleases/secretary-jewell-applauds-presidents-intent-to-nominate-neil-kornze-as-director-of-the-bureau-of-land-management.cfm Here's a link to Brit Land Management site-it's the press relaes detailing Reid's cronie, hand-picked BLM appointment. It puts you into the B.L.M. site and details what's in store for every corridor in the U.S. There's names and phone numbers for project directors in D.C.. Call them. A lot of these projects today, somehow had "public input" periods which ended years ago. http://www.amazon.com/Merchants-Doubt-Handful-Scientists-Obscured/dp/1608193942/ref=sr_1_1/188-6868567-2737153?ie=UTF8&qid=1398207361&sr=8-1&keywords=merchants+of+doubt There's a link to purchase "Merchants of Doubt". Why, you might ask? The same fake lobbyists and scientists who worked for big tobacco to tell us cancer was not linked to cigarettes, have been hired by big oil to tell America we NEED to hand over our "corridors of energy & travel" to the BPs and the Koch Brothers. To sell petroleum products abroad. Not here.

He bought the property in '79, mandatory survey then for an FHA loan was OK'd and they required him to get title insurance, and it was just 5 years later when British Land Management decided he would "lose" 140 acres. How did he lose 140 acres worth of erosion in 5 years? He didn't. They're using 1803 Louisiana Purchase contract language, to seize property. The Texas AG has said he will meet the British Land Management at the Red River, as he will be armed and carrying his "Come and Take It" flag. Now, write your pro-BLM letter to the Texas Attorney General and tell him what a tin foil hat wearing nut you believe him to be. You don't seem to get it: "the Court" in these cases is Federal, making the rules and laws for the BLM, and We the People are done with their property mismanagement and poisoning the resources. The jig is up, game's over, scumbags exposed to the bright sunlight, freedom and democracy will come back to these lands by use of force it looks like. The "Merchants of Doubt" are done. Here's an excellent question: Why don't we have Paul Ryan stepping up to the plate for these "producers" of the finest meats in the world? Kind of strange, huh? He's always crowing about how we need to support our USA Producers, the little guy, the family man, the good Christians. Not a peep from little Pauly girl on this one. (Oh, that's right, these are "welfare ranchers" just sucking my country dry.) :thefinger:

What? British Land Management is going to use Henderson's case, on his lost 140 acres, as "past practice" to grab another 90,000 acres in Texas!? This outta be good. Can't wait to see the pro-BLM arguments this time.

I'd say your doing a very consistent job being a "merchant of doubt" for all the corporate entities. Excellent work you got, for BP there. BP lies in Wisconsin and all of the Gulf of Mexico states and waters as well. Your believing they're telling the truth suddenly, in Indiana, is most telling of all. Thank You.

Meh, interesting that you use the word "reference" per Wikipedia, as it is not a reference to be used even in standard 2-year college research papers: anyone can go into the accounts and "edit" whatever information they want to. For example, here is the editing listing of who edited what, and when on just the "barrel" page... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barrel&action=history But, thanks for the heads up, you are correct... http://www.onlineconversion.com/volume.htm OK, so we only had 42,000 gallons of oil spill here, into a marsh. Cool. Here we have crossed again into the "Merchants of Doubt" territory. So, if BP did in Indiana, what they did here in WI it was 1600 barrels of oil into Lake Michigan of tar sands oil, or 67,200 gallons. Tar Sands oil: As result of the solvents added to Tar sands oil, in order to make it flow through a pipeline a solvent has to be added. That solvent makes the sands oil a Haz Mat classification which the Koch Brothers insurance company does not cover for spills-that's just how nasty it is. You cannot clean it up. Guess who pays for it?

Welcome Brick from Badgerland...

1600 gallons was more than likely 1600 barrels. There was a BP pipeline rupture in east-central Wisconsin a couple of years ago. Initially they said it was just 1000 gallons, because all their high tech gear detected it quickly. Turned out it was 1000 barrels, right into a wetland marsh area; 55,000 gallons. Brilliant cover up. Some years ago we had a great ® Governor here, Lee Dreyfus. Just going from memory here-he made comment that we in WI need to protect our waters as..." someday they'll be paying $50 a barrel for oil but our Great Lakes water shed will be priceless." So here we are at about $100 a barrel for oil (55 gallons), and lets say a pint of bottled Dasani is $1 at your Circle K= $440 a barrel. Pump price on gas still puts "value" of oil at 50% of our water. So I recently asked the Mayor of Superior, who is a huge supporter of Enbridge and the Koch Brothers' tar sands pipeline, where he will MOVE to for his fresh water supply after they have their first major spill there in Superior. He refused to answer. Didn't say a word. Follow the money...

Meh, Snopes is saying their only evidence that it is NOT true is that Exif data can be allegedly manipulated, and that their captors missed the I-phone in their search. Having worked in a Max. facility where that's all officers had to do for their jobs was watch the visiting room, missed the handoffs, AND missed contraband in the strip searches before going back to cell? It is VERY plausible. (Yeah, they missed phones and STILL miss phones!) Butch, your Dad would've wanted you to have this.

Did you look at who took the contract, or is it just out on the table?

No, I did not. I lumped Dae Woo FACTORIES in with the other foreign built cars that General Communist Motors is IMPORTING to the United States, as result of GM having bought 3 Dae Woo factories. It is a big lie by the "Merchants of Doubt" that General Communist Motors assembly plants in China, Korea, and Indonesia are ONLY for their foreign sales. And THAT is by design, to twist perception as Commie Motors knows that when enough Americans find out what is truly going on they'll buy vehicles produced here in 'merica. Somebody else has taken license to muddy these waters about Chinese vs. Koreans, not me, and I'll just reiterate my opinion: if you want to buy full priced vehicles produced in slave labor economy, so Gen. Communist Motors can build MORE factories in Communist China, you have that information to do so.

Where do I claim DaeWoo is Chinese owned? I do not. The point is : Buying a Chevy means YOU are building vehicle assembly plants in Asia, NOT America. Need to support Communism or $1.00 an hour wages? Buy Chevy. Simple.

Well, you know, gotta get ahead of the curve for duck and wabbit season.

Problem: On the Final Assembly line where we built Tahoes and Suburbans we had A LOT of engine fire problems after the start-up/testing phase. The windshield washer nozzle/bottle has a heating element in it and it was catching on fire after electrical short out, melting, etc.. Solution: Don't be a squealer, ship it to the dealer-electricals DISconnected and shipped to the dealers. GM's official statement: we don't/didn't have a problem with engine fires. My advice to you with Tahoes/Suburbans? Do NOT park them INSIDE your garage. hint hint... Remember after 9/11, GM's marketing was "Let's Keep America Rolling". If some of you guys want to support a Communist country's infrastructure, with profits mostly made and donated to them from here? You at least now have an informed decision on where your money is going to, and it aint America. "We're not shipping those (Mexico built) trucks into the U.S., they go overseas." was the mantra of the 80s, when they found $1.50 an hour Mexican labor and no benefits to pay, or unemployment/Social Security. It's complete BS game on the American workers, but hey, people cannot figure out WHY one of the biggest industries in their town today is heroin and ODs? At least we got rid of those damn Unions!!? :rant2:

That's right, it WAS, and now they send them back here with a Chevy badge. Malibu, Aveo, and whatever those really small ones are.

Just got the e mail

They HAVE been importing them. Nope, never buying another GM vehicle again. OK, maybe a Z06....

6.5 Million gallons. That was the hold capacity of the Fitzgerald.

LOL! That's some pretty funny shiite!

Yup, I guess Enbridge is building several new holding tanks up by you? So, here's a great question for Enbridge/Koch Brothers: If this oil is going to be used for our "energy independence", why not refine it onsite at it's central location in North America (Alberta)? Answer: Because it's not going to stay here...

I agree with you, and I should have been more specific. Those large areas (LA/Detroit) are where the riots are, which is actually what these MRAPs are most suitable for. The interesting angle of the WI story is that Superior has somehow already been approved for theirs. What's in Superior? One end of the Koch Brothers' tails.

For a change? They took TARP money there and India ASAP in 2009. The "Chinese market" is NOT what they are building vehicles for exclusively. Their Buick factories have been shipping cars here for some time now. They bought 3 Dae Woo factories and have been shipping back here for several years now. It's not the sales pitch we were given to loan/gift them Billions of U.S. tax dollars for, to relocate? No. The argument that ..."they don't ship those vehicles here " is a false one-doesn't work anymore.

The "Merchants of Doubt"...interesting piece by RT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuP-3c3Ybnk&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg