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.308 Lover

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  1. The lead times are getting ridiculous, for sure. He could go with the 24" stainless fluted barrel and get a new rifle case. Always an option.
  2. Gone to that great shooting range in the sky.
  3. I found the DPMS barrels. The first two times I looked the page was blank. Try this link, no uppers, barrels only (.308) http://www.dpmsinc.com/308-Win-762x51-NATO_c_203.html
  4. Actually, I'm from SW PA, near to the hometown of Tony Dorsett and not too far from Beaver Falls myself. Small world, eh?
  5. My DPMS LR .308 is actually chambered in .308. It is very accurate. The prices are great too, if you can find one. Try Rguns, they have them listed for $950 (for ffl holders, many ffl holders can get you one for 10% or so above cost).
  6. Welcome from PA. Hope you get your AR sorted out soon. Summer and fall yet to go, good times for shooting.
  7. .308 Lover

    .308 Noob

    Welcome from PA. Love those .308's!
  8. Welcome from PA. My mother is from Danville, VA, and I have friends in VA (Roanoke). Its a great, beautiful state. I always enjoy visiting there. A lot of the AR style rifles are every bit as (or even more) accurate than a lot of bolt-action rifles. Glad you got one before the politicians make the semi-auto's illegal.
  9. Welcome, Reloader, and I predict that you will be mighty happy with your DPMS Oracle. DPMS rifles tend to be extremely accurate. Try some Varget powder in your .308. You wont' be sorry.
  10. I've been trying to work up some loads in my .308 Browning BLR. The 165 gr. Sierra Game King HPBT's work fine. I'm getting groups of right around 1/2 inch at 100 yards (for 3 shots), sometimes a little over 1/2" and sometimes a little under and sometimes just about right at 1/2" with Varget powder. I also tried some IME 4064 and some H4895. They look promising and I'm not through with those powders yet. I accurized the BLR rifle by reaming out the center of the fore end (where the hanger from the frame goes through, as it was not only touching there, but really bearing down to one side) and by taking some wood out of the barrel channel and glass bedding it. The fore end was really pushing hard on one side of the barrel, the same side the hanger rod was pushing the fore end to. Groups are about 1/3 the size that they used to be and it doesn't open the groups up when the barrel gets hot. The BLR has a 1 in 12" twist. I've only tried a few loads with 125 gr. Noslers and 147 gr. IMI FMJ's but nothing yet, just large groups. On Sunday I'm going to try the bullets that don't shoot in the 12" twist in a rifle with a 10" twist. Has anyone tried these bullets in a 10" twist barrel, and if so, how did they shoot. What powder did you use? I have H322, H4895, IMR 4064, Varget and H414. I have some LeveRevolution powder too and I tried that with the 165 gr. moly-coated bullets. I got good velocity but the accuracy was not so great, 3 shots in 1 1/2" for the best load. Any help and advise would be appreciated.
  11. What kind of scopes do you use? Mil dots? Are you a sniper for the military or police? Just curious. FBI HRT maybe? Homeland Security?
  12. Since I have seen so many comments about how the military DOESN'T use Shepherd scopes, I will email Shepherd Scopes tomorrow morning asking them if they sell any of their scopes to the military and if they do, how many. If I get a response I'll post a copy of the email here. If I'm wrong, everyone will know it and maybe I'll look like a fool. But what if I'm right? Maybe the half-dozen or so who opposed me might look like...
  13. Thanks for your nice response. I never said these were sniper scopes, but I did say they could be used as such as the 18" range finding circles would work pretty well on a man from his belt to his neck. Very fast to line up and shoot. I guess the schools teach snipers how to multiply and turn the turret on the mil-dot scopes. The guy using the Shepherd scope could have half a dozen of the enemy down before the guy with the mil-dot scope even gets on his first target. I'll never be on a sniper team and I'll never be used for assault support. I'm 64 years old and I served 4 years in the military. Unless a war breaks out in this country, I just practice seeing how close I can put the bullets together, just like most people do. How about you?
  14. Until I ORDERED and bought my Shepherd scope, I had never seen one. To this day (I have 2 Shepherd scopes now) I have never seen another one, except in a Cabela's showcase. Note: Cabela's does not have Shepherd scopes listed in their online catalog. They may not carry them anymore. I first learned about Shepherd Scopes in Shotgun News in the 1980's. No, I'm not affiliated with Shepherd Scopes. When anyone is considering a new scope, I might have you curious enough to check out a Shepherd scope. You would be doing yourself a favor. When I bought the P2 model in 1994, It was $450. That's a 3.5X10.5 with an adjustable objective and set for the 168 Sierra at 2700 fps muzzle velocity The V2 model I bought in 2008 (I think, the sales slip is in the box which is in my safe). It is 6x18 power and is also set for 2700 fps with the Sierra 168 Match King and works on the same 18" circle range finding principle. It was $850, but I can't remember if that was $800 plus tax or $850 plus tax. These models also work with other calibers. You get a list of calibers, bullet weights and velocities with which your scope will work in the box the scope comes in. Shepherd also makes a P1 and a P3 model which are set for lower muzzle velocities (P1) or for higher muzzle velocities (P3)/ The only thing I didn't like about my first scope was that the cross-hairs are a little thick. I just use targets that are easy to line up the cross-hairs on when I am shooting groups at 100 yards. Once you get so far out, I think it is 600 yards, the circles no longer have little cross-hairs inside of them so there is no thickness to worry about there. The reason I brought up Shepherd scopes is BECAUSE they are scarce. Not too many people I know of have seen one or looked through one, unless it was one of mine. I like the features on the Shepherd scopes so much that I thought I would share with you just how good these scopes are. Just because you don't know anyone who has one, or you have never seen one, doesn't mean that they aren't any good. In this case quite the contrary is true. Here's a link to Shepherd's catalog. http://www.shepherdscopes.com/2015Catalog.pdf Please have a look and pay particular attention to pages 23-28 where a bunch of military people (who supposedly don't use Shepherd scopes) can be seen using Shepherd scopes. I worked up a load with Varget powder that got a Sierra 168 gr. match bullet going just a little over 2700 fps so I knew the scope should be "on" clear to 1000 yards after I zeroed it in at 100 yards. This load grouped under 1/2" at 100 yards for 5 shots so I knew it had the potential to be accurate further out. The place I was working at the time had a sportsman's club with a rifle range that went to 500 yards. A guy I worked with belonged to that club and he took me shooting there as he wanted to see how the Shepherd scope worked too. So we went to the club and put up a 200 yard military target for open sights at 500 yards. This target has a black 18" circle with scoring rings on it which was imposed on a piece of off-white paper. Eighteen inches is just what you want to have and the target was a circle. It is very easy to line up a circle with another circle. We both shot my rifle and we both shot about the same sized groups. They were 3 5/8" (or very close to it) for 5 shots at 500 yards. My friend and myself were both very impressed with the scope. It is nice to know that with the scope I have, I zero for 100 yards and I'm zeroed for every hundred yards up to 1000 yards. All I really have to worry about is getting the windage right. In between every hundred yards is covered too, but you have to judge how far the target is by using one circle that is too small and one circle that is too big (both circles are located next to each other, of course). You hold such a shot in the middle of the two circles and shoot. You judge how far in between the circles to hold and shoot. You won't be too far off and you will probably get a hit if you do things right. It is really gratifying to know that when you take your rifle with the Shepherd scope on it, you are sighted in clear to 1000 yards. That rifle hits right where you hold the scope, if you do it right. I have low rings on my rifle (Remington Varmint Sythetic in .308 with the factory trigger adjusted down to 12 ounces) made by S & K in Pittsfield, PA. They are very low and they adjust for windage. Higher rings, even medium rings, would, I feel, through the scope off, more at longer ranges. The S & K rings and bases have been advertised for decades in Rifle and Handloader magazines. A guy named Dave Gentry has been making an exact knockoff of these rings and bases for a few years now. The patent must have expired. But these rings and bases are some more gun stuff I have that I am highly pleased with so I though I would share that with you too. I only wish some of you guys lived close enough to me so that we could do some shooting together and I could show you how quick and easy the Shepherd scopes are to use. Plus, we might become friends. Those with the same interests (in this case its shooting, especially rifles) sometimes have that happen to them.
  15. There is also a video on the Shepherd online catalog (the one I told you takes a long time to load). If you did indeed watch the video, you would have seen several scenes of American soldiers blowing up mines (IED's, I imagine) using a rifle with a Shepherd scope on it. In the catalog it military trainers mention several times how quickly recruits pick up on the Shepherd Scope, making their jobs a lot easier. It looks like the military DOES have some contact with the military, or the military has some contact with Shepherd Scopes. O, BTW, below is a picture of the elusive Mark Delmont. He is in a Shepherd Scopes booth at the 2014 SHOT SHOW. Note that below his name it says "Military and Police Liaison". You can find this on You Tube. Here is a link to the page it is on: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=shepherd+scope+review 2:29 Shepherd Enterprises - SHOT Show 2014 - What the Stuff Outdoor Adventure TV by Swamp City Productions 1 year ago 1,272 views Transcript: With a product that literally started as a dream more than 30 ye
  16. According to the bushmasterassociates.com website (of which DPMS is a member), the first DPMS LR-308 came out in 2001, NOT in October 2003. Here's the link so you can see for yourselves: http://www.bushmasterassociates.com/pro_bushmaster/frontend/product.php?id=61 Here's what it says: "In 2001 (not a typo) DPMS expanded from its share of the .223/5.56mm market and exploded onto the .308 rifle scene. The LR-308, the first and foremost... Download Technical Sheet In 2001, DPMS expanded from its share of the .223/5.56mm market, and exploded onto the .308 rifle scene. The LR-308, the first and foremost of the .308 line, and for which the rifle series is named, is a rifle to be reckoned with. So much so that it was named the NRA Rifle of the year in 2005.
  17. When I got my DPMS LR .308 in 2002, I tried to buy a Shepherd scope for it. Nobody had any, they all said they were going to the military. I think being bought by the soldier himself to use. Or by certain special forces types who can buy whatever they want. There is a film on the Shepherd Scope website. It shows soldiers firing weapons with Shepherd scopes on them. There are also pictures of military people with Shepherd scopes and training stories from the military about Shepherd scopes.
  18. For further information on Shepherd scopes and the military, look at the catalog on Shepherd's site. It loads slow, took about 15 or 20 seconds on my machine. That catalog explains a lot of things. I can't look at the catalog for you.
  19. When the accuracy of the .308 AR-type of rifles could match the accuracy of a good bolt gun with a varmint weight barrel. I like the increase of firepower and the price I got on my DPMS .308 LR stainless fluted 24" barrel for only $850. I added a trigger and a scope and an AP4 upper and now the cost of the whole deal (scope for the AP4 too) is not too far from $4000. I consider it money well spent and I'd do it all over again.
  20. Shepherd scopes were very hard to get for a while, especially during the late 1990's and early 2000's. They are, believe it or not, popular with the military. Shepherd manages to sell a lot of them. They have run a full page add in Shotgun News for the past 30 or so years.
  21. In my post above about the Shepherd scopes, the line that starts a paragraph, "After you have your scope zeroed and you have moved your crosshairs to center and your grid marks to zero (moving crosshairs to zero and gridmarks to zero..." Should read, (moving crosshairs to CENTER, not crosshairs to zero. Moving crosshairs to zero is done by the big knobs on the top and side of the scope. When you move a Shepherd scope's crosshairs to zero your scope, the crosshairs actually MOVE! After zeroing, you move the little knobs behind the big knobs to center everything. And it works perfectly.
  22. Sorry, here's the link to the Shepherd web site: http://www.shepherdscopes.com/
  23. There is a line with a circle that covers one inch at 100 yards for your 100 yard zero. The 200 yard elevation line is a little below the 100 yard elevation line. The 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900 and 1000 all have their own circles which are smaller as the yardage increases. They are also spaced farther apart on the verticle line in the center of the scope as the yardage increases. The circles from 300 to 500 or 600 yards each have their own crosshairs inside of them too. The inside of the circle covers an area 18" tall X 18" wide at the distance they are marked for. An adult deer is pretty close to 18" from where his front leg touches his body to the top of his shoulder. Say one circle is too big and one circle is too small. Hold in-between those two circles and shoot. There are two sets of turrets on these scopes. One set adjusts the windage and the elevation and the other set (smaller knobs just behind the elevation and windage knobs) centers the crosshairs after you zero your scope. On the top of the scope and on the right side of the scope (when looking through the scope) is a line with hash marks on it. These lines also move with the little turrets. The top line will line up at "0" with the windage line of the scope's crosshairs and the line going up and down the right side of the scope will line up at "0" with the elevation line. The lines go from +5 MOA to -5 MOA on both lines and they are marked at 5 on each side for the one going across the scope at the top and on the top and bottom of the line going up and down for the elevation. They are also marked with a little line for each individual MOA. After you have your scope zeroed and you have moved your crosshairs to center and your grid marks to zero (moving crosshairs to zero and gridmarks to zero are both done at the same time with the little adjustment knobs behind the windage and elevation adjustment knobs) you can tell instantly if your scope has been moved from where you had it zeroed just by looking at your grid marks on the top and on the side. If the windage zero line and the elevation zero line (for 100 yards) have been moved then it shows up on the MOA grids. This gives you a handy way of moving your crosshairs for windage without marking down how many clicks you moved your scope or writing it down. When done with your shooting session simply use the grid marks on your MOA lines to move your crosshairs back to the zero marks. These grids can also be used for range-finding. Say you know how long an enemy's rifle is. You can use the MOA marks to figure out how far away he is. This is all explained in the directions that come with the scope. You can also use the 18" range-finding circles to range-find on a man. A man is about 18" from his belt to his neck. On the P2 scope, the one set for 2700 fps, the circles overlap and are set for every hundred yards. I think it is the P3 which is set for higher velocities and the circles there are not set for 100 yard intervals. The first circle appears at 340 yards on those scopes. The P1 model, set for 2500 fps, is a little different too. Visit the Shepherd site and see what it says. It is not only the 168 gr. bullet which can be used, they give you a complete chart of calibers and velocities with which the scopes can be used and the MOA which they will be off every hundred yards when zeroed with that particular caliber and a particular weight bullet going at a particular velocity. Usually it is within a few MOA. Here's the link. Check out their catalog, how to zero a scope with one shot, and the different scopes they make, including one for a .22 rimfire and another with a set of 24" range-finding circles for elk. They also make a scope that has an elevation line with 18" range-finding circles AND when you flip a knob on the scope, that elevation line is replaced with the 24" range-finding circles. These are nice scopes with excellent optics. One inch tubes and 40mm objectives, not huge things like 35mm tubes and 56mm objectives. They also aren't cheap. I paid $800 for the "Varmit" 6X18 power scope six years ago. The usual power is 3.5X10.5. I think you will like these scopes, especially if you had the opportunity to use one for a day. Hands-free range-finding at its best.
  24. Here's what I was replying to: "It craters the primers..." My point is that DPMS barrels have very tight chambers. I doubt that G2 Recon barrels are any different since his G2 Recon barrel craters the primers too. I hope you get the point and I hope novamark gets it too. But YOUR point is well taken, the ARE completely different rifles...
  25. I checked out the article. That is simply fire-lapping and is probably the very best way to smooth out a barrel, especially for a rifle with a somewhat rough bore that gets copper-fouled very easily. It does have the advantage of going in only one direction. I still like the JB method for a new, unfired (except for proofing) barrel. But there is more than one way to "skin a cat", as they say.
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