KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted June 27, 2019 Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Hello gents! I am acquiring all of my desired components for a PA-10 assembly. I am extremely excited, as this is my first "I'm a big boy" AR... ...Well, besides my .50 Beowulf...! I ordered an 18" A2 SS basic upper / kit ($349.00 shipped), & a stripped PA-10 lower (79.99 shipped) from PSA last month, & have been slowly accumulating parts to assemble it into a more preferred (well, hopefully) configuration... So far, some of what I've ordered: Armalite AR-10 buffer tube assy, 12.06" 304 SS AR-10 gas tube, Superlative Arms .750" adjustable GB, DPMS low pattern 17" m-lok FF rail, Breek Arms SS brake/comp & ambi charging handle, Phase 5 Tactical EBR.308V2, Full ambi mag (Norgon) & selector parts for the lower. In addition to the adjustable gas block, I ordered a #46 (0.081"), & (0.0846") drill bits to open up the gas port... Am I on the right track...? Thank you very kindly in advance to 98Z5V! Edited June 27, 2019 by KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted June 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) P.S... PSA still is mucking things up it seems... So far I've found that my Lower build kit has a 7.25" buffer tube, an 11-5/8" buffer spring, & a 2.5" (3.82oz) buffer. Going to also be interesting when I go to install the FF rail & pull the A2 FSB to see what we're working with in regards to the gas port... Edited June 27, 2019 by KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 27, 2019 Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 hours ago, KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE said: P.S... PSA still is mucking things up it seems... So far I've found that my Lower build kit has a 7.25" buffer tube, an 11-5/8" buffer spring, & a 2.5" (3.82oz) buffer. Going to also be interesting when I go to install the FF rail & pull the A2 FSB to see what we're working with in regards to the gas port... You're on the right track with that first post, and thank you for the thank you. Means more than you know. Is that the internal depth of your receiver extension, that they sent you?!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted June 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, 98Z5V said: You're on the right track with that first post, and thank you for the thank you. Means more than you know. Is that the internal depth of your receiver extension, that they sent you?!... Whoops! I should have been much more specific! The internal depth of the buffer tube, is 7" total. Measured to the edge of the buffer retainer's, retainer lip. Thank you for the vote of confidence, & for all of the hard work you've put into sorting these rifles out for current & future users! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 27, 2019 Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE said: The internal depth of the buffer tube, is 7" total. Measured to the edge of the buffer retainer's, retainer lip. Okay, that CAN work. With the right buffer and buffer spring. That spring you listed... junk. The buffer you listed is too light (3.8oz and should hit on or right near 5.4oz). 4 hours ago, KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE said: So far I've found that my Lower build kit has a 7.25" buffer tube, an 11-5/8" buffer spring, & a 2.5" (3.82oz) buffer. You stated you already have the Armalite AR-10 buffer tube assembly on order - is that the complete AR-10 Carbine Recoil System? Or just the receiver extension (buffer tube) ?. Is it this, here?: https://www.armalite.com/product/ar10rekit01-6-position-receiver-extension-kit/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted June 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: Okay, that CAN work. With the right buffer and buffer spring. That spring you listed... junk. The buffer you listed is too light (3.8oz and should hit on or right near 5.4oz). You stated you already have the Armalite AR-10 buffer tube assembly on order - is that the complete AR-10 Carbine Recoil System? Or just the receiver extension (buffer tube) ?. Is it this, here?: https://www.armalite.com/product/ar10rekit01-6-position-receiver-extension-kit/ Yep! The whole kit, model #: AR10REKIT01 Armalite correct carbine length gas tube was OOS when I ordered. Therefore, I ordered a 12.06" 304SS .308 tube from Dark Storm Industries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 27, 2019 Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 Don't even sweat what PSA sent you for that recoil system then. Save that 7.000" internal extension for an AR-15 build in the future, and you can salvage four parts from the buffer that you were sent - you can save the buffer bumper and roll pin as a spare, and you can keep the two tungsten weights that are inside to convert a standard AR-15 buffer over to an H2 buffer later. The buffer body - smash it with a hammer and enjoy the satisfaction, and throw that spring away... JMHO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted June 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Don't even sweat what PSA sent you for that recoil system then. Save that 7.000" internal extension for an AR-15 build in the future, and you can salvage four parts from the buffer that you were sent - you can save the buffer bumper and roll pin as a spare, and you can keep the two tungsten weights that are inside to convert a standard AR-15 buffer over to an H2 buffer later. The buffer body - smash it with a hammer and enjoy the satisfaction, and throw that spring away... JMHO... Yep! As soon as I first opened the kit, I was thinking, "Well, I have some shiny new AR-15 parts for my next next next in line build!" 🤣 In regards to the gas port, do I even bother with the 0.081" (#46) bit, or just jump to the 0.0846" bit? Would I need to go any larger than the 0.0846"? Thank you once again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE said: In regards to the gas port, do I even bother with the 0.081" (#46) bit, or just jump to the 0.0846" bit? Would I need to go any larger than the 0.0846"? 0.081" should run the gun on any decent ammo. I went 0.085" on one I was working on, just in case any ammo was needed, even inexpensive steel-cased foreign ammo. Now, the other side of that mentality - you can run 0.085" just fine on yours, based on the adjustable gas block you're gonna use. Go Big or Go Home!... Drill it to the 0.085" and if you want to tame it down, you have that capability through the adjustable gas block. Justmake sure you realize this right now - brand new build, brand new parts need to carbon-seal, through carbon fouling. Run the AGB in the wide open setting while you're breaking in the gun, and letting the carbon fouling seal the gas block-to-barrel, and gas-tube-to-gas-block. Edited June 28, 2019 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted June 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 37 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: 0.081" should run the gun on any decent ammo. I went 0.085" on one I was working on, just in case any ammo was needed, even inexpensive steel-cased foreign ammo. Now, the other side of that mentality - you can run 0.085" just fine on yours, based on the adjustable gas block you're gonna use. Go Big or Go Home!... Drill it to the 0.085" and if you want to tame it down, you have that capability through the adjustable gas block. Justmake sure you realize this right now - brand new build, brand new parts need to carbon-seal, through carbon fouling. Run the AGB in the wide open setting while you're breaking in the gun, and letting the carbon fouling seal the gas block-to-barrel, and gas-tube-to-gas-block. Roger that! Fouling creating a seal, was something I was already aware of (thanks to your previous posts)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted June 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 6 hours ago, 98Z5V said: 0.081" should run the gun on any decent ammo. I went 0.085" on one I was working on, just in case any ammo was needed, even inexpensive steel-cased foreign ammo. Now, the other side of that mentality - you can run 0.085" just fine on yours, based on the adjustable gas block you're gonna use. Go Big or Go Home!... Drill it to the 0.085" and if you want to tame it down, you have that capability through the adjustable gas block. Justmake sure you realize this right now - brand new build, brand new parts need to carbon-seal, through carbon fouling. Run the AGB in the wide open setting while you're breaking in the gun, and letting the carbon fouling seal the gas block-to-barrel, and gas-tube-to-gas-block. Roger that! Fouling creating a seal, was something I was already aware of (thanks to your previous posts)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted June 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) I received my gas tube from Dark Storm Industries... It pays to read. They sent me an AR-15 midlength gas tube instead of the .308 midlength. The part numbers are one character off, so someone was just being rushed, or careless when fulfilling my order. Also, it was only sent in a bubble mailer. Yikes! I called them yesterday & sw/ an employee whom said he would have his boss look over my order & have him call me today to rectify things. Here's hoping they get/make it right...! Edited June 28, 2019 by KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) You can just buy it from Armalite. AR-10 Carbine Gas Tube, part # 10007005. Shows out of stock on the website, but call them on the phone and ask if they have any. I scored 2x Carbine tubes and a Rifle tube - that were out of stock on their website - by calling and asking if they had any. I live close, so I picked them up that day. LOCAL: 623-780-1050 TOLL FREE: 800-336-0184 Edited June 29, 2019 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted June 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 Thank you, sir! The Owner of Dark Storm Industries states he's sending me out the correct tube. If they screw this up again, I'll get on the horn with Armalite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted July 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 Received the correct gas tube from Dark Storm Industries! Took longer than I'd hoped, but they did make it right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMason5067 Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 On 6/26/2019 at 10:29 PM, KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE said: Yep! The whole kit, model #: AR10REKIT01 Armalite correct carbine length gas tube was OOS when I ordered. Therefore, I ordered a 12.06" 304SS .308 tube from Dark Storm Industries. Thanks for the tip on Dark Storm Industries, I just ordered the correct length gas tube from there as well, no one else had the correct tube. Have a Superlative arms adjustable gas block on the way, when it shows up the whole gun is coming apart to get painted FDE, and will install the block, and tube at that time. Good luck with your build Sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted July 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JMason5067 said: Thanks for the tip on Dark Storm Industries, I just ordered the correct length gas tube from there as well, no one else had the correct tube. Have a Superlative arms adjustable gas block on the way, when it shows up the whole gun is coming apart to get painted FDE, and will install the block, and tube at that time. Good luck with your build Sir! Awesome! You got the correct buffer assy as well, I presume? Glad you were able to track one down! I just hope they send you the correct tube the first time, & that it was well packaged! The first (incorrect) tube they sent me, came only in a bubble mailer... WHAAAAT...?!? Whoever that employee was, needs an evaluation! The second came expertly packaged, in an actual box...😂 I just ordered a Primary Arms 3-18x50 ACSS HUD DMR .308, a QD mount & a Magpul ACS stock for mine today! I still need my drill stops for the tiny gas port drill bits. The machine shop I ordered them from had the last week off for the 4th, which is awesome for them! I also need the proper barrel nut wrench to remove the PA-10 delta ring, which I have already ordered from MidwayUSA. Only things I need to complete my build, barring any unforeseen complications, are a anti-cant scope level, & a Savvy Sniper sling, which I run on all of my tactical guns... I'm inching closer to breaking out the tools & parts & start assembling...! Edited July 7, 2019 by KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMason5067 Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE said: Awesome! You got the correct buffer assy as well, I presume? I did, 7 inch tube, replaced the spring and the H2 Buffer with an H3. Glad you were able to track one down! I just hope they send you the correct tube the first time, & that it was well packaged! The first (incorrect) tube they sent me, came only in a bubble mailer... WHAAAAT...?!? Whoever that employee was, needs an evaluation! The second came expertly packaged, in an actual box...😂 I ordered a couple 10 round mags as well, it showed up in a box, it is a 12.06 inch .308 gas tube. I just ordered a Primary Arms 3-18x50 ACSS HUD DMR .308, a QD mount & a Magpul ACS stock for mine today! Mine is a Vortex diamondback, I like it so far. I still need my drill stops for the tiny gas port drill bits. The machine shop I ordered them from had the last week off for the 4th, which is awesome for them! I also need the proper barrel nut wrench to remove the PA-10 delta ring, which I have already ordered from MidwayUSA. Only things I need to complete my build, barring any unforeseen complications, are a anti-cant scope level, & a Savvy Sniper sling, which I run on all of my tactical guns... I'm inching closer to breaking out the tools & parts & start assembling...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 ^^^ Awesome! Glad you got the right parts! Have fun slinging some lead with your new freedom dispenser! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Aaaaaaaand, figures.... Armalite has their carbine length AR-10 tubes back in stock. I just received the email... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMason5067 Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 8 hours ago, KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE said: Aaaaaaaand, figures.... Armalite has their carbine length AR-10 tubes back in stock. I just received the email... It's all good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) On 7/7/2019 at 4:55 PM, KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE said: I still need my drill stops for the tiny gas port drill bits. Just stick a 1/4" wooden dowel down the barrel, and stop when you hit the wood. If you drill with light pressure, you won't hit the other side anyway. EDIT - if you drill with heavy pressure, you're gonna break that skinny drill bit off in your barrel's gas port... Edited July 9, 2019 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted July 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 4 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Just stick a 1/4" wooden dowel down the barrel, and stop when you hit the wood. If you drill with light pressure, you won't hit the other side anyway. EDIT - if you drill with heavy pressure, you're gonna break that skinny drill bit off in your barrel's gas port... Thanks for the awesome idea! As usual, I am waaaaay over-thinking things... 😭🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAC-SR-25-EMCARBINE Posted July 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 7/8/2019 at 10:09 PM, 98Z5V said: Just stick a 1/4" wooden dowel down the barrel, and stop when you hit the wood. If you drill with light pressure, you won't hit the other side anyway. EDIT - if you drill with heavy pressure, you're gonna break that skinny drill bit off in your barrel's gas port... I picked up an oak dowel to drill out my gas port the other day... So, when I go to reconfigure the upper... High speed, light pressure?? I'm going to utilize the drill stop, because why not, right...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 High speed only if it's a HSS bit. I usually drill them at a somewhat medium speed, very light pressure - let the bit do what it does, don't force it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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