98Z5V Posted Wednesday at 05:38 AM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 05:38 AM Completely see my brother doing shiit like this for a test. Already seen him do it, for a lube test... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted Wednesday at 05:42 AM Author Report Share Posted Wednesday at 05:42 AM @sketch -enlighten , man - What would Sketchy Do?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted Wednesday at 06:25 AM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 06:25 AM Test you're pistol! Honestly this was an optic test and I think this is a solid option, I would like more dry dirt testing, to see how the glass holds up, but in practic 42 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: @sketch -enlighten , man - What would Sketchy Do?... al use.. this is a solid setup. I hear holsters can add to the simple mathematics,. so I would consider that as well. Training for mill or other leter agencies have yet to be seen on dot optic systems? I know it takes time but get er done! Not allowed to purchase this makes me flustered. And this guy treats it like a tool.. lol! I approve this test! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff R Posted Wednesday at 12:08 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 12:08 PM Yikes! Well, it passed the "Timex Test".....takes a licking and keeps on ticking. Good testament for the Glock as well, tough as nails. Hard to believe it didn't get picked for the last Military contract. I remember WAY back when the Beretta 92F was awarded the first contract to replace our aging 45 autos. Big, bulky, ugly but they offered it at a price that it rose to the top of the pile over several pistols that worked equally as well but cost more...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted yesterday at 02:41 AM Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:41 AM 15 hours ago, Cliff R said: I remember WAY back when the Beretta 92F was awarded the first contract to replace our aging 45 autos. Yep,when we got them, slide life was estimated at 5k rounds. Then the safety memos came out - Slide life is 2,500 rounds. Then another memo came out - Slide life is 1,250 rounds, and they'll start cracking, slides coming apart... Beretta won the contract, immediately built a factory in Brazil in order to produce them cheaper, and fulfilled the initial contract. They then sold that factory to Taurus, and Taurus walked in and started making the PT-92 right away. Taurus did 3 important thing - (1) changed the slide materials, completey, and offered a lifetime guarantee on the slide, then, (2) they moved the safety to the frame, where it belongs, and (3) got rid of that de-cocking bullshiit. I bought my PT-92 in 1991, took it out on it's first range outing that weekend, and sent 2,200 rounds through it. I still have it to this day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff R Posted yesterday at 04:10 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 04:10 AM (edited) We received six of the "new" at that time 92F's for testing. Ran them thru the paces and they made the grade. We put WAY over 2500 rounds thru them w/o a single failure of any kind. I'd add here that I noticed the "huge" fireball when night shooting and the recoil/report was pretty hefty for a 9mm pistol but we continued to test them. At that time I was an instructor on staff at the small arms instructor training school, or train the trainer. To make a long story short we looked at the ammo supplied for them and it was designated TZZ 9mm in 64 round boxes from Israeli Industries and noted that it was pretty "hot" and designed for UZI 32 round magazines. At almost the exact same time we did this another service testing them (pretty sure it was the Marine Corps) had a slide break and injure the shooter. Almost immediately another incident with a broken slide occurred. Within days we get a Servicewide message to stop using the TZZ ammo. It was replaced with Olin Industries 9mm in 50 round boxes, which was considerably "mild" in comparison to the TZZ. Since this happened close to forty years ago I'm a little sketchy on the details but for sure the ammo was a contributing factor to slide failures. I also remember Beretta making a change to the weapons shortly after the slide breaking issues developed but can't remember exactly what they did to them....maybe some heat treating and adding something to keep the slide from separating from the frame and giving you a facial?. In any case I have personally never observed a failure with an M9 pistol and we were still using them when I retired in 2003. In all those years and being directly responsible for sending hundreds of thousands of rounds down range it's a testament to how good they really are. As an SAI it was also really nice to be able to run relays without any alibi's of any kind which was NOT possible with the aging 45's they replaced. Failure to feed, eject and "stove pipes" were common with the 45 pistols even though we gave them all the TLC they needed in the armory. So for sure it was a well needed "upgrade" for the Military in that area. Even with that said I'm personally NOT a fan of the M9 pistol and would never own one. Instead the secondary weapon in my ruck is a Smith & Wesson M & P which has about a zillion rounds thru it at this point and still flawless. It's never once done anything it wasn't supposed to, it's very accurate and feels much better in the hand that the big/bulky Beretta 92........ Edited yesterday at 08:40 AM by Cliff R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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