Kindly escorted out of school today.....

[MikedaddyH]

Me personally nothing. My stepdad was zero for two dealing with blatent recruting violations plus my brother got kicked out of OSU when he and his roomate got busted. Woody stepped in to protect his player, 'nuff said.

[MaDuce]

I don't necessarily disagree with police in our schools, but otherwise I echo your sentiments 100%. Having a LEO presence in schools where the majority of adults wouldn't adopt personal firearm use, or are unable to be physically proficient with a weapon, could be the answer to a potential problem. Again, I agree with the rest of your post. The entitlement mentality has been encouraged too long, it's high time people learned to be a self-sufficient society again.

Same here. But I think he is striking even more gold then he thinks. When you have a good communal support network and community efforts to look after one and other, the conditions that seam to create these school shooters in the first place disappear. I'd put money on the LACK of these things being one of the main ingredients in creating these school shooters.

Think about it. There was a time when we had that AND extremely loose gun laws compared to now. And what we didn't have in those days were these school shootings. The commonality of school shootings has run parallel with the disappearance of that.

[392heminut]

Actually Jon, COP stands for CONSTABLE On Patrol!

As for the SRO situation, being retired from law enforcement for 10 years and having worked in the local school system for most of those 10 years I have a somewhat unique perspective on it. SRO's were pulled out of our schools a few years ago due to the federal grants going away. The SRO's here weren't there just for student protection, they handled any problems of a law enforcement nature that came up at the schools and interacted with the kids. The day shift patrol was freed up to deal with other stuff and weren't answering calls to the schools, which happen a lot more frequently than people know about. The kids had a lot more respect for cops because they found that we were approachable and weren't the big bad policemen they thought we were. (You can't imagine how many times in 23 years I heard parents tell their kids "You better do this or that or I'll have that policeman arrest you!") The SRO's also developed leads to crimes outside the school system because of their interaction with the kids.

At this point in time SRO's are about the only ones with a snowball's chance in hell of being armed in a school thanks to the 'Gun Free Zone' B.S.! Besides myself, there are 2 other retired officers working at our high school, one is a counselor and one works security. NONE of us can legally carry on school grounds! HR 218 gives us the right to carry concealed almost any place in the country, but yet we apparently can't be trusted to carry where our own kids go to school? I just don't understand that!

[MaDuce]

We really need to get some non-profit schools going, where kids are given a real and proper education, and where security isn't a joke.

[SPBCTS]

I made sergeant before we put SRO's out in our county, but 392hemi is dead nut on the money regarding the SRO deal.

Our SRO's take a huge load off the day shift patrol deputies, I cleared the reports they wrote and can tell you point blank tying a beat deputy up at the high school campus all day would have really cramp-ed our style, since minimum staffing is always maximum staffing in most cop shops.

The service they provide, the intel the provide, priceless.

Their presence and interaction on the campus with the kids does wonders for keeping us up to speed on what is going on, and sometimes gave us the chance to nip problems in the bud before they became major clusters.

Getting SRO's in place is a good thing.

Training everyone up on active shooter scenarios is another.

When Columbine went down, I was a sgt., one of my "ancillary duties" was running the FTO Team.

I put together an active shooter drill and grew it into a countywide mulit-agency training day. We had an indoor area with a bunch of false walls created with plastic sheet and 2x4s I and my Training Team assembled. wE laid them out like a school hallway. I recorded some audio of kids screaming and shots being fired and played it loud as hell in there, along with a fire drill alarm thing going off ever few seconds.

We sent teams in to clear the "rooms", looking for an active shooter. We got with a local paintball store owner who came out and briefed all the trainees on paintball safety use, and "armed" the trainees with paintball guns.

We had explorer scouts role-playing as frightened students everywhere, some of them made up by the Medics to look wounded.

We had an area that was dark they had to work through. Then, towards the end of the drill,, they found themselves in a dead end area that was outside,, where the paintball shop owner, "ambushed" them.

They had to get wounded out, etc...get them to the medic teams, who worked them up and did the drill as a mass casualty training event.

We did this for 3 days to get every badge toter in the county through it, and whenever possible we mixed agencies up so guys would get to know each other and work with each other.

It was very revealing, and a great event.  There was big talk by the upper management of all the agencies that it would be a yearly training event.

The following year I went to a Major Narc Task force and wasn't available to donate my days off, my truck, my shop, etc. to put it all together, and nothing happened.

When I retired I took my training plans with me.

I got a phone call yesterday from a deputy I ran through that day who is now a Lt. at another agency in another county. He remembers that training day and wants to put one together. Unfortunately, after 6 years of retirement I got tired of moving that heavy damn file box around and destroyed it. ::) I may have it on a floppy disk someplace, but who even has a computer with a floppy drive anymore, LOL.

I am gonna try to work with him over the phone to recreate the big points of it, but he is going to have to put a team together to pull it off.

This is what needs to be going on...you guys that are still active LEO or fire/ems need to be looking at this kind of interagency mass casualty training. Active shooter stuff where everyone has a role to play.