Battle Arms Dev

Right, one can exceed milspec in material and finish and not cause any problems. Spikes NB coat some components, some manufacturers use Cerakote, Duracote, Melonite, all arguably better than Parkerizing. Since the spec didn't call for anything else, these coatings exceed specs, but they're also not in specs because they have varied from specs. The parts that are of importance to us are tolerances. Without these values, one has to reverse engineer the component using the numbers taken from a bunch of existing products, and hopefully come to an average that works. In the case of the selector center, the areas that need to be changed are: Detent holes (you can see the bi-directional detent hole I was talking about in the pictures) The center's flat section (milspec would cause a few aftermarket triggers to fail, therefore for better compatibility, we reduced it, as almost every other selector maker) Specs also change. Vietnam era, and older M16 receivers are found to be rather thinner than current thickness, this causes excessive gap between the selector levers and the receiver. Current specs are 0.878 to 0895, some old M16 receivers measure 0.74 and less. So when one speaks of milspec, it covers a lot of area and length of time, time itself is a variable in this equation.

Milspec is a word often misused and abused, sometimes people use it to cover a lot of areas when they do not have specifics. When it comes to the AR system, this pretty much means TDP. Sometimes it's not feasible, and impossible to produce civilian products using military specs. Receivers may adhere to many milspecs, but not all of them. Selector is another one. Since we spent a great deal of time on the development and refinement of our selectors, I can chime in on the selectors. The military spec selectors are decidedly NOT the same as any semi auto version, aside from the obvious select fire vs. semi only aspect. Milspec M16 selector's detent groove goes 360 degrees, even to where there is no detent hole. We can only think this was meant for a 4 way fire control group, it serves no other purpose otherwise. Semi auto selector's detent groove goes 90 degrees. Milspec M16 selector's detent holes are bi-directional, in that you can rotate the selector either way when the detent is engaged. On many receivers, there are selector stops on the left side of the receiver to prevent over-rotation, but on M16 receivers without selector stops, or if you put the selector lever on the right side where there are no selector stops, (such as ours, which is fully modular), an M16 selector will rotate 360 degrees. Semi auto selector's detent holes will only allow you to rotate it between the detent holes, not beyond them. Thus all semi auto selectors are not "milspec", they cannot be. There are no standard to speak of when it comes to specs for the semi auto detent hole, detent groove depth, shoulder depth, and groove angles. There's also no written in stone specs we know of regarding the selector's bar / axis / center length. Given that all receivers vary somewhat in width, this often becomes a problem. A very thick receiver will find the selector lever binding on it, a very thin receiver will see pronounced gap between the receiver and levers. We have spent countless hours and much of our resources to find a great combination, honestly nobody thought there was so much to a simple selector. Pics: From left to right: Battle Arms Dev. semi auto, cast, unknown brand M16 selector, and Battle Arms Dev. M16 (all Battle Arms selectors are CNC machined) Special attention to the M16 selector detent holes and groove. A milspec selector's detent holes will allow you to rotate it both ways. On our current M16 selectors, this can't be done, though the first version of our M16 selector did use the milspec and could also be over-rotated. In this case, the detent holes of a semi auto selector should not look like those on an M16 selector. Top two are Battle Arms Dev. selectors, bottom is cast, unknown brand M16 selector [img width=810 height=545]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/selectorcomparison.jpg Battle Arms Dev's redesigned detent hole depth and angle, groove depth and angle, and shoulder depth

Glad you like it Matt <thumbsup>

Thank you guys! :)

We're all here :D Or do you mean on the phone? Please email me your number, I'll call you :)

Cool! <thumbsup>

Hehe, thanks to you guys and especially Drew that came up with the idea of having 308ar.com members leave feedback for the product. I hope it does well for Red Jacket :)

Ha, I didn't even know that Huldra was using our selectors, they must be buying from Brownells :D

Some gunsmiths don't work on black rifles and are not familiar with them, their ego is such that black rifles seem beneath contempt, but they don't bother learning about them. Tolerance stacking is common place with any system, with the AR, more so, because of the sheer number of different products produced by different companies :)

I knew it had to be more than just me :D Thank you! :)

Thank you guys, who among you gents contacted Brownell's? I submitted something to staff for review, I never heard from them though.

Tom promised me lots of pics of you for some reason ;D

Thanks Tom, I saw this a while back on a strange site that contained the same review, but I had no idea it was taken from Brownells :P

A gentleman emailed us re: compatibility, it was because of that questionable review that led him to doubt whether our selector would work on a Colt. With tens of thousands of selectors in one flavor or another, with the exception of a batch in Feb of 2012 which Brownells did not receive, the only time something like what he described can happen is when the selector is improperly installed. I'd post something to refute his review, but submitting my objection to Brownells staff is the only right way for me to protest it.

Did you guys see the review posted by "Desperado" in Silver City, NM? Our perfect 5.0 rating is now 4.9, I asked the staff to review it. He never contacted us for support or exchange, the issue he described typically comes from improper installation. We get calls from customers who had their "master gun smith" install the selector for them, and often folks that don't work on ARs have no idea what they're doing and install it incorrectly. That guy in NM either has an axe to grind, or a shill. He thinks forcing the levers to rotate would screw up the receiver lol. He probably installed it with the detent up side down, or installed the center wrong (detent groove should be on the right side of the receiver, yes this has happened before).

Sounds good Tom! :D

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We're the ones that should thank you! :cookoo: ;D Hehe, thank you Tom, we appreciate your support and business, and hope to always find ways to say thank you with more than words <thumbsup>

I haven't been shooting much since Battle Arms got busy :( I can't wait to see the production Seekings 308 rifles ;D

Sounds good! The lady that used to cut my hair read my palm once, and said I would have a girl. Let's hope she looks like my fiancee and has her temperaments, one day she might be running Battle Arms <thumbsup>

Thank you guys! :) She has no problems with guns, but she did not like the Carerra S4 I was gonna get, baby seat unfriendly or something like that :cookoo:

Maybe our new hats would help? ;D We don't have them yet, they'll have fewer logos, and come in tan, OD and black :)

She's a cutie ;D

Thank you guys! In other news, shipping and processing next weekend may be slightly delayed, we're all going to a wedding....mine! ;D

Thanks guys! :D