Toolndie7 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 saw this a few years ago and was just reminded of it from the chinese target holder pic in another thread. <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Was talking to someone who stated we have the biggest-bestest military money can buy, due to the billion$ and billion$ spent on equipment. They said "China only spends like $70 billion on their military." True...but the USA doesn't have slave labor assembling slave mined materials either. That $70 billion (or whatever it is now) goes a long, long way when you aren't paying $20/hour to Raytheon employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 This might be cheap labor, but we need to take it seriously. With China's "one child per family" policy, and their people aborting female babies, China has a vast oversupply of males. Historically, countries with an oversupply of males turns to military adventurism. So their ammunition might be crap, and their guided missles might be crapola, but they could still launch one helluva war with a lot of expendable guys. But them trying to do a war when they're totally dependent on imports of corn and soy -- who knows? They're a frigging communist dictatorship. They act like capitalists, but the rules still come from the top. They could kick our ass in the Pacific and still have lots of leftovers. And Japan, who they hate, would go on starvation rations. And then the US would run out of iPads and iPods and iCrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) China rescinded the one child per family policy some time back. Need fodder for the cannons. Edited May 28, 2014 by planeflyer21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Naah. The Chinese are conducting economic warfare on us, and they will destroy us without firing a single shot if we do not do something about it. Government subsidies, dumping, theft of industrial and military secrets, disregard for intellectual property rights, forced labor... etc etc... the list goes on. How else can they make and sell the same stuff that is costs less than the material itself!!! I make it a point to not buy anything that's made in China (yes, Walmart, I'm looking at you) unless I have no choice. Edited May 28, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Naah. The Chinese are conducting economic warfare on us, and they will destroy us without firing a single shot if we do not do something about it. Government subsidies, dumping, theft of industrial and military secrets, disregard for intellectual property rights, forced labor... etc etc... the list goes on. How else can they make and sell the same stuff that is costs less than the material itself!!! I make it a point to not buy anything that's made in China (yes, Walmart, I'm looking at you) unless I have no choice. You are so right. Plus the Chinese have exact copies of a lot of our best infantry hardware. Is it as good? Probably not. Can they make ten of them for every well made american one? Yes. Don't underestimate what they can accomlplish, but also understand they have zero blue water navy tradition. Zero. To expand outside their home waters they would get their A__ kicked. Reminds me of a lieutenant jg I knew in the seventies that served for a while in a destroyer deployed to the Black Sea. I asked about the Soviet navy and their build up that was going on then, and how they stacked up. His reply was that his destroyer was a leftover from the Korean war and was still steaming rings around what the Russians had in the Black Sea. Not because of the equipment, but because of the sailors. Tradition makes a difference when the SHTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Not because of the equipment, but because of the sailors. Tradition makes a difference when the SHTF. All volunteer professionals versus conscripted masses. HUGE difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) All volunteer professionals versus conscripted masses. HUGE difference. Gen. William Westmoreland, testifying before President Nixon’s Commission on an All-Volunteer [Military] Force, denounced the idea of phasing out the draft and putting only volunteers in uniform, saying that he did not want to command “an army of mercenaries.” Friedman, a member of the 15-person commission, interrupted him. “General,” Friedman asked, “would you rather command an army of slaves?” http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/slave-army/ Edited May 28, 2014 by gnatshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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