greenmist

20" AL 10-Ts with rings, bi-pod, and sling for $1199 @ CDNN. 7 left last night.

Yup, we're on the I-39 NAFTA highway from Mexico, bringing the illegal labor to our County which is an unofficial "safe haven" for illegals : they bring the heroin with them from the corrupt airports in Mexico. The latest Spring batch brought to work for Libby's/ del Monte will bring a fresh batch of ODs with them. Your County Supervisors are doing their best to look the other way for the Chamber of Commerce-I used to run the body bags and witness the O.D. autopsies in Madison. County Supervisors wanted nothing to do with collating the OD information-did not get a response from ONE of them. A Hummer isn't meant to carry a squad sized team, the BearCat is still the best option for that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenco_BearCat And that's about the greatest advantage the MRAPs and BearCats have, is to carry the team to the site, in one vehicle. Then, as with the MRAPs, you've lost the element of surprise and become a bullet magnet. It's a military vehicle built for IED prevention/detection and the deserts of the MIddle-east. Haven't needed one in the last 20 years outside of the sandbox, but like I said-Detroit/LA/Chicago? Sure, but 24 of them for this State? They are going to cause more problems than fix; maintenance and citizen perception/attitude towards the agency. You can paint it up and put Nascar logos on it, it's still gonna ramp up the number of ass-hats that wanna defeat it. So, when will the full on tanks become "acceptable"?

Horse a piece. I have some Wilsons only because they were bought used, for cheap. I prefer the CM Power 10s myself. Congrats on the SIG. I've been running my TacOps TR for 2 years now and it has been great.

Yup... http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/20/us-autoshow-china-gm-idUSBREA3J08N20140420

General Motors goes into Bankruptcy protection, collects $80 Billion in TARP money of which it keeps $32 Billion. Comes out of bankruptcy as Government Motors and is now moving whole hog to China. Welcome to Communist Motors. This is now CM, as they take $12 Billion to build more factories in China. Glad we already made the switch, some years ago. :fawkdance: http://www.reuters.com/article/comments/idUSBREA3J08N20140420 Brilliant O'Bummer tactics for jobs creation here. Wow.

So you believe all MIL/LEO SOFs use MRAPs or other armored vehicles?

This... http://counterjihadreport.com/2014/03/22/breaking-lt-gen-mcinerney-says-mh370-is-in-pakistan-i-got-a-source-that-confirmed-it-yesterday-video/

...got a little french fry grease comin outta yer fuel filter there buddy... I like the idea of the aluminum. We'll see.

This almost pisses me off...

I missed your actual question-got your point but missed the question.... Yeah, I've been there done that, without an MRAP or team losses. So far. As I said, I can get any Council or Board to consider equipment purchases under that argument point, no matter how UN-realistic that debate point may be. Nobody, on any council or board, wants to be perceived as THAT GUY who wants to see our cops get wasted. How long before an actual tank is "acceptable"? IIRC, we had MRAP patrols in the Boston area last spring with a top-gunner on a 240, during a "shelter in place" (martial law) search. The FAA has approved almost 15,000 drone permits for LE use in the U.S., and O'Bummer has said we can now kill U.S. Civilians w/o due process. (Or actually presenting evidence, after the fact.) This is one step beyond, IMO. I hate hearing when a brother/sister hits EOW. I signed up for it, and I'll admit it, for me it's a rush. I hate body bags, but I really don't see MRAPs decreasing the number of body bags we're handling-yet. Now, timing and location is everything : Chicago / Detroit / L.A.? Send em whatever they need. >:D

Hell yeah. I don't think parts/service will be a problem here in WI, but I wouldn't wanna be more than 500 miles from the factory. Why not just hire an extra 500 Border Patrol Officers to man these down on the Border? Target practice, field work, border control, take "the fence" money and turn it into a job station? We could put all of WI's 24 on the border with FIB-land I guess, monitoring truck traffic that's hauling illegals and their heroin? If you're gonna bring in this kind of hardware just go balls to the wall and do it right.

I agree, it sucks for EVERYthing you put it it. Go to www.pure-gas.org to find a station near you that has gas w/o ethanol for your mowers, saws, dirtbikes, snowmobiles, cycles, etc... Ethanol is the reason our cattle farmers cannot stay in business-growing corn is the new subsidy.

IIRC, WI only has about 5.5 million people, mostly in Milwaukee and Madison. Most cities already have a designated SWAT/SRT vehicle w/ command units. I wonder how/who figured out the numbers available per state?

Welcome! :wwop:

Today's that day, 239 years ago. Step out the back door if you can and fire off a shot... :sniper:

Right, I think we dumped like $180,000 into a used unit which is essentially just useful for a barricaded subject. However, at some point you still have to talk to the subject and get out of the unit. Therein lies the rub; put so much armor around guys and they don't WANT to get out of the unit to do the work. We can talk any Council or Board into monstrous purchases with the " If we save just one life..." mantra, for weapons, buildings, Tac B.S...In the last 5 years there's been a serious uptick on foreign terrorism deep in our interior, but as usual that has solutions in intelligence informations. Not big trucks. It'll be interesting to watch how people react to seeing units they have only seen on TV, over there...Anybody hear how many are available to your states? I'm trying to figure where WI NEEDS 24 of these things. ..

If your LE agency wants an MRAP get your app in quick. Wisconsin to get 24 of em... http://www.wpr.org/wisconsin-police-departments-apply-behemoth-military-vehicles

Couldnt believe Rollin Stone has this listed as 40 years ago...Jesus...

Yup, follow the money. So, that brings up an investigative question in my mind: WHERE do you (BP) send that much money, to get an entire media region of northern Indiana and Chicago, to ignore 1600 gallons of tar sands oil spilled into your best fresh water supply? Obviously it's BP sending the money, but to WHO? Who is it that can control THAT MANY news outlets at once-TV, radio, print, and electronic? WTF is that chain of money to follow?

I'm not an anti-government nut, but look at a part of what you just wrote there. Being from Wisconsin, you remember the name Eugene Hasenfus? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Hasenfus

BP dumps 1600+ gallons into Lake Michigan, got to live near/on Michigan, watch your water intake.

NICE! So, 239 years ago on this Saturday (19 APR 14) the "shot heard round the world" was fired by militiamen, against a tyrannical government force. Thanks '98.

Absolutely. Basic reasoning: take what you want, leave the rest, and don't do/say anything illegal. If you join the website you can "join" any group in there. The comms area is pretty cool for learning HAM radio stuff. The WI Information Center has a decent collection of Basic training vids to watch, no commitment or meetings necessary...

OK, yup, put in newer delrin seal when I did the 3-gun conversion work on her. We'll see how this goes...

Howdy, going to get into a local VFW weekly trap shoot, here in cheeseland. Found a case of Rio 7.5 shot for $60...anybody have experience with this stuff? Will it cycle an old Rem. 1100? First practice is this week, if the snow lets up... <dontknow>