308kiwi

Sorry, ETA that when I said 'ALL' firearms, I am talking about rifles and shotguns, they have left pistols alone. So I am at least still going to the range and getting some stress relief😀

Hey guys, still here, fighting the fight. So an update. Law was passed by Government to ban ALL centre fire semi autos along with ALL 'high' capacity magazines for ALL firearms including bolt actions and shotguns. Also banned were lever actions that have tube mags over 10 rounds, shotguns with detachable magazine and shotguns with tube mags that hold over 5 rounds. But now they can't figure what to do, KPMG, (accounting firm to the government) has been tasked to set a budget to 'buy back' all these affected firearms and all parts and magazines that fit these firearms, they went back to the government with an initial estimate of $1.5 billion, I think the govt literally crapped their pants, (govt estimate that they peddled out to the media and the rest of the sheep in NZ was $150 mil). So now we are at a standstill, still got all my stuff just not allowed to use it. Cops have taken in a few firearms but no sooner did they do that and a police station up north got burgled and the thief stole all the firearms they had seized, talk about funny, well we all thought it was funny, the police and the govt had a fit about it. Some light at the end of the tunnel, a huge effort was put in by us shooters and $1.5 mil was raised almost overnight to hire lawyers who straight away filed an injunction in the NZ High Court to overturn these ridiculous new laws, first court hearing was 2 days ago and the preliminary outlook sounds positive. So we are all waiting to see how this plays out. So we are still in the fight, still here and this aint over yet. I'll keep updates coming as things progress. Meanwhile our teachers are on strike because of stalled pay talks, our doctors are going on strike because of funding shortfalls and pay disputes. I think the reality is starting to hit home that the taxpayers of NZ just cannot afford to splash out $1.5 billion on a feel good policy to solve a problem that really doesn't exist and now that the hysteria has settled the rest of the sheep in NZ are starting to realise that 'we' are not the problem.

Yep, that is SO FUCKIN OFFENSIVE to me, this treacherous fuckin whore has just betrayed a large portion of this countries citizens and is now a Nobel nominee. WTF

I agree, there has been a lot of outrage by a vocal few at how this has been handled but not by the masses they are not speaking up because they are so emotionally involved in embracing the muslim community, the vigil after vigil, the news on every channel for the last week has been saturated with pro muslim stories, the 'sheep' have taken this on so hard, congregations of women in city centres all wearing hijab head scarves in support of their muslim sisters. A few that have spoken up have been arrested and charged under 'hate speech' laws, we started a petition urging the government to spend more time and taking on consultation before ramming this through as legislation, the govt had the petition site shut down within hours. WTF do you do when you are so few and spread so thin, 0.12% of the population and the other 99.88% screaming for your blood. And then we have the media, absolutely flooding the channels with anti gun lies and mis-information, the just yesterday parliament was opened for session with an islamic call to prayer, it was broadcast live on every tv channel and every radio station, then parliament was opened with an islamic prayer. I mean WTF, WT actual F, I am shocked beyond belief, fuckin speechless. I am fuckin embarrassed to call myself a kiwi any more, I really don't know why I am bothering to even fight this, WTF am I fighting for??, a fascist dictatorship that has in one week removed our rights to free speech, removed our rights to petition, and submitted to islam. So sorry for the rant guys but the frustration levels are through the fuckin roof.

Thank you No "malis" taken Will do, Thanks Sketch

I feel physically sick. I lost my youngest brother to suicide 20 years ago. I had my house ransacked and lost everything of any value 14 years ago. These are the only other two events in my life that have left me feeling as angry, sad, lost, betrayed and out of my depth as I feel right now.

The wording includes 'all parts that can be used to modify or create' so it's not just stripped lowers, it's any part as well. Who knows, right at the moment the entire country is out for the blood of gun owners, there are approx 7000 people in NZ that own legal AR15's, vs 5 Million 'sheep' that have been stirred up by the media and the politicians and are on a literal witch hunt, there have been many incidents, hate incidents against gun owners/ gun clubs over the last week, a gun club up north was burnt to the ground, another one down here was attacked and it's members threatened with death and has closed. it's a mob mentality and we are grossly out numbered. No, converted semi's are not being allowed, and yes, once in place this will be next to impossible to reverse.

It's one of my most favourite words, it conveys so many different emotions in just 4 letters. Guess I'll be back to building bolt rifles again, could be interesting. I've been working on my own design of a 21st century falling block action for a while, guess I'll have a lot more free time now to pull finger and get it into production.

That snaggle toothed F**KIN WHORE will not be re-elected, there are some VERY VERY angry people in NZ this afternoon.

Hey guys, unfortunately this has just happened, made it quick to your neck of the woods, like it was just announced 50 minutes ago here. Yep, all semi auto rifles are now banned, with pretty much one exception, 22 rimfire with max 5 round magazine. I cannot begin to express how seething angry I am. They have promised a 'buy back', which is just total BS, not likely to see anywhere near the amount of $$$'s we have tied up in our rifles, we had a rough add up last night and came to $100K. The legislation has not yet been passed in parliament but has been drafted as an 'order in council' which is like a decree of what is going to become legislation that can be passed into law without due process, and here I was thinking we lived in a democracy. I am so damn angry at the moment, it's taking all my strength and self control to type this without prolific use of F**KS and C**TS. Right at the moment we still have everything as all our rifles are what we call 'E' category and registered to us, but within the next few weeks they will be banning them in total. As things progress I'll let you know, but as @ARTrooper said, I might just have to go on a deep sea fishing trip this weekend.

Very cool.

A couple of years ago we had a member of our gun club end himself on the range in front of myself, my wife and four other members, turned a 9mm Glock to his chest and pulled the trigger, absolutely nothing we could do to save him, by the time we even figured WTF just happened he had stopped breathing, trying to perform CPR on someone when every time you compress their chest you get covered in their blood is pointless. I never even gave it the remotest consideration that someone would do such a thing, especially in front of an audience, I seriously hope that I never have to witness anything like that ever again.

Yeah I know, gives a good reference as to how quiet it is though

Yep, couldn't agree more, The lightest I load now for 308 is 175gr, have boxes and boxes of 135, 155, gathering dust. I have a mate who swages projectiles as a bit of a hobby business, the lightest .30 he makes is 165gr, he's trying to source longer jackets at the moment so he can get into the 200+ range.

Here ya go, 10 rounds of 190gr sub sonic 308, averaged 1019fps over the chrono, and as you can see the bolt locked to the rear on the last round, the brass was almost in one little pile about 5 feet away from me PSD brass, Fiocchi large rifle primers, 10gr IMR Trail Boss 190gr Berger HPBT Had to do nothing to the lower, ie has the same 308 buffer and spring that I have been using for both my 308 and 243 uppers, BCG is std Aero M5. The barrel, like I posted at the beginning of this thread, 14", 1:10 twist, std 308 chamber, pistol length gas tube fitted into a Syrac adj gas block, (that I haven't had to adjust, it's fully open), gas port is at .110" Target is seven rounds @ 50yards. This is seriously fun to shoot, lovin it

IT WORKS, just put 40 rounds through it, cycles and locks the bolt to the rear on last round, I am soooooooooooooo farkin excited, almost no recoil. I've run out of loaded ammo, couldn't help myself shot it all before I thought to grab a camera, about to go and load some more up, will try to get some video footage tomorrow and post it. Oh boy this is going to be a fun toy.

I have been seriously looking at the 375 Raptor as well. If this project doesn't work out I will have a spare BCG, Upper, barrel extension etc in need of a new barrel.............Hmmmmmmmmmm

Yeah, I've considered that, every load is going to be printed before the suppressor gets screwed on, do not need to be tumbling bullets sideways through an expensive suppressor. Am going to start with 200gr, but I've got a decent selection of .30 bullets ranging from 135gr to 220gr to try. My barrel is 1:10. Good points dpete, I'm leaning along the line of thought that it is pressure that I need rather than a quantity/volume of gas, and like has been discussed, a given weight projectile needs x amount of pressure to drive it at x velocity, so from that, I already know from experience that Trail boss can easily drive 175 to 200gr projectile to 1050 fps, (in a bolt rifle), so must be generating the same amount of pressure as any sub sonic load in 300 BLK, or any other calibre for that matter, that is achieving the same results. Hence my decision to go with a pistol length gas system and a 14" barrel, giving as much exposure of that pressure to the gas system for as long as possible, like I said, that combination of gas port location vs barrel length seems to work well with 300 BLK, the only reason Trail boss isn't used in 300 BLK is that the bulk density of the powder is so high that you simply cannot get enough of it in a 300 BLK case. If I get some spare time this month it will all be academic cause I'll know if it cycles or not and rest assured I'll be posting it here.? FWIW, these guys are doing it using 220gr projectiles and loading 14.5gr of IMR4759 powder which is pretty close to H110 apparently, I just do not want to be dealing with the hassles of loading such small amounts of powder and the inherent problems that come with that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYGrAsCRWTs

It should pretty much be the same I would have thought, given projectile at a given speed and spin should perform equally. I'm sure I'll be advised by some at some stage as to why I should have just built a 300 BLK upper......yep, fair comment but I want a quiet 308, I already have everything I need to make subsonic 308 ammo, have been loading it for years for bolt guns. We have a big problem with feral goats over here and you have to 'quietly' shoot them cause as soon as they think they are in danger they are gone, I think this will be just the ticket for shooting these pests.

Trying to decide on where to go with the gas system has been a mission, pretty much came down in the end to replicating the AR15 300 BLK system that by all accounts gives the most reliable cycling with subsonic AR15 300 BLK loads, from what I found a 14" barrel with a pistol length gas tube seems to give adequate dwell time for 190-200ish gr projectiles being driven by sufficient gas pressure to keep them sub sonic but still cycle the rifle, I figure I'm doing nothing different except I have to drive a heavier BCG and recoil system, so this is where the specific suppressor comes into play, the design of the chambers is such that the gases are 'trapped' in the suppressor longer than a std baffle type design, I'm relying on this to boost the BCG via these gases escaping back down the barrel and giving the BCG a helping hand, 'delayed semi blow back' if you will, after all, this very phenomenon is what gives the accelerated BCG velocity in suppressed AR15's and 308AR's. And if that all fails then I'll machine up a lightweight buffer and start playing with AR15 carbine springs to build a recoil system that replicates 300 BLK AR15 but behind a 308 BCG. Now the suppressor has turned up I'm all motivated again to get this thing running, stay tuned

Have had this project on the go for a while, dedicated subsonic, suppressed, 308 upper, not even sure it's going to work yet but you never know until you try :-) Finally after 6 weeks and dealing with translating Swedish to English and back to Swedish paperwork, my new suppressor turned up today, Over barrel Aimsport Triton 42S, made in Sweden. I'm particularly intrigued with the concept of this design, no baffles, instead it uses 3 large expansion chambers (I guess you could say it does have baffles, just not in the sense we are familiar with in suppressor design). Barrel is 14", 1:10 twist, just need to cut the chamber, set head space and assemble it into the upper. Mate of mine swaged me some 200gr projectiles to try, IMR Trail Boss powder, has proven itself well in the past with subsonic bolt rifle loads. Will post up some more when I get it all together and see what happens

I'll swap any of you lot, it's friggin 35C, (95F) here today, this pasty white boy is melting.

Picked this up a couple of weeks ago, 19X. had no intention of buying another Glock let alone one in 9mm, but it just feels and points so damn nice I had to take it home.

? I still remember how the world was going to be changed forever by all the 'short' and 'super short' magnums that came out in the 90's and early 2000's.

6.5 CM is all anyone has been talking about over here for the last year or so, I just don't get it myself, perhaps it's because I drink my coffee without sugar and the blacker the better and my idea of 'hairstyle' is a #2 crew cut. Could also be because I'm past 50 and have seen all these so called wonder calibres before...........now get of my fukin lawn...... Sorry for hijacking your thread carverelli Nice rifle, post up your results.