Matt.Cross

I've pretty well steered this thread into being a heavy discussion about whether or not i'm being defrauded. I had hoped it would be a somewhat lighter thread at the outset. It's still good to know what I need to be asking though, I don't relish the thought of ending up in the federal pen.

It's not a computer-generated trust template. I don't want to tell you more than I know, especially before I actually have some paperwork in hand and can tell you with certainty. Until then ultimately ANYTHING I think I know is sheer conjecture. Having dropped that disclaimer, here's what I think I know: He has a trust document drawn up by a lawyer (a 'template'), your personal information, preferences, and other specifics are added to or optionally omitted from this document, which will in it's barest form still meet the legal requirements. The complexity is mostly up to you, but essentially you're going to fill in the blanks, thus the 'template' moniker. He gave me the names of customers who buy regularly and frequently, and gave me the name of the officer with the BATFE who usually handles his transfers, and encouraged me to speak with them. So far his customers are checking out but I haven't called up his BATFE contact yet. I'm using suggestions from this thread to compile into an e-mail to send to him to get everything cleared up once I know what all I need to ask. Beside my gun store buddies, the only NC NFA Trust lawyers I'm finding are via the 'Web, at some point I'm going to have to trust that one of them is who they say they are. If this guy fails to check out completely, I will keep looking elsewhere. Though I may well be wrong, I think I have a pretty good chance with this guy.

Update: Checking up on my suppressor man has yielded positive results. I have talked to him now in person and I have a couple of references to check out that can vouch for him. He has given me info to get in touch with regular customers and business associates. So far everything is checking out but be assured, I'm taking no chances. Going to try to meet with the local sheriff here soon and negate the need for the trust route, but be assured, I'm working both angles as thoroughly as possible.

I hope I didn't muddy the waters any, the NFA lawyer and the NCSilencer guy as far as I know have nothing to do with each other. The gun store is setting up to sell NFA items, they are keeping the lawyer on retainer to write their trusts up. I'm going through the NCSilencer guy and using the NFA lawyer to proofread my paperwork.

You've managed to root out the ace up my sleeve, there is a local gun store with a NFA lawyer on retainer. I have told them about my build and they are double verifying my information. This guy has a website that you guys can check out and tell me what you think: www.ncsilencer.com I'm going to try my best to make sure I don't get myself in a bind on this deal.

Dear Diary, Oh wait, nevermind, wrong window.... <dontknow> Well, today I got an e-mail back from the gentleman who is acting as the 'guide' on my journey to suppressed firing: Hi Matt, Thanks for the kind words! I'm waiting to hear back from Ops Inc. to get their latest dealer pricing. I actually just got off the phone with Ron who heads up the manufacturing for Ops Inc. He shared some good info about your proposed mockup. Sounds like you've done your homework and know what you want regarding that brake/suppressor setup. I'll get back to you on specific pricing for that suppressor combo when I have the price list in hand. As far as other cost, it's really just the NC sales tax on the suppressor, and of course the $200 tax stamp. I don't charge for handling the paperwork and I offer a Trust template for free to whoever wants to go that route. If you're certain that your sheriff or CLEO will sign off on your ATF Form 4, you won't need to create a Trust. The process is pretty straight forward. It just requires patience. The short version is like this: 1. Pay me for the suppressor. 2. I order the suppressor. Also at this point, I mail you everything you need to fill out, complete with detailed instructions. 3. You put pen to paper, and send it all back to me. 4. I sign off and insert the serial number of the suppressor (often, I have the suppressor in hand at this point. If not, I at least have the SN ready to record on Form 4) 5. I send everything off to the ATF and we wait. 6. Two to three months later, I get your approved Form 4 and paid tax stamp back from the ATF. 7. You pick up your new suppressor and tax stamp! You may have other questions regarding certain specifics.... like perhaps, "can I ship your suppressor to you, or do you have to pick it up in person?" (a lot of people ask about that). By the way, the answer to that is kind of complicated. I like to play it safe and do the final transaction face to face. If you do have other questions, feel free to ask. I'll do my best to help answer your questions. -- Thanks, Eric Morton Sounds pretty simple to me. Now, what should we rename Frank to once he's rebuilt? Updates will follow as they come. 8)

Hmmm, that sounds like a LOAD of fun... <dontknow>

I have a spare JP Bennie Cooley type if you want to try one. It hasn't been used yet and I'd be willing to part with for a franklin' + shipping.

You should warn a brother.... I had to pour the drool out of my keyboard just to type this. <thumbsup> That is one sweet piece my friend! I suppose you have the suppressor too?

Glad to hear it, pics must be posted of course, once they're in hand.

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Well, one of the reasons for going with Lothar Walther for a custom barrel is that they are not one of the more common go-to choices for ARs in .308, (LMT's being the exception, and that's a production barrel) so part of my objective is to test out some of the less "cookie cutter" type barrels and try some more unusual or specialized items. At this point I'm going to have one LW barrel sometime in the near future, and I don't want to have two until I know that I'm very impressed with them. You guys have pretty much convinced me to buy the Krieger from Fulton, I just gotta wait for my payday to roll around. Ultimately the LW will be tested in Goldi, but in the meantime she will probably get initiated with the Krieger. I'll bet if I send them my brake, they'll time it for me and send it back assembled. Gonna have to check into this....

I think we need to send it into war zones. Nothing could be more humiliating than being massacred with pink weaponry.... <dontknow> <thumbsup>

My money is already in the LW barrel, there's no way I'm gonna cancel it, I just can't stand the waiting. Frank is just embarrassing to even look at now that Goldilocks (MA TEN w/ gold trigger) is mostly built, so I'm eager to go ahead and get started on the parts for Frank. Buying the FA barrel makes sense anyways, but I don't know whether I should put it on Frank or Goldilocks. If I rebuild Frank, all the parts are in stock and I won't have an indeterminate waiting period, with the exception of the suppressor. Putting the FA barrel on either gives me a custom build that I can shoot, but doesn't leave me with either build in the condition I first envisioned for them. At present I'm 99% sure I'll be buying the FA barrel anyways, it's up to the thread readers to figure out which build to put it on. Pics of Frank: [img width=810 height=607]http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/jm_cross/img1313871521523.jpg Pics of Goldilocks: [img width=810 height=607]http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/jm_cross/img1313871521090.jpg [img width=810 height=607]http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/jm_cross/img1313871520899.jpg

Based on what I've heard, I have the utmost confidence I'd be satisfied. I can't wait for 98Z5V to read this thread, it'll get REALLY interesting then. <laughs>

The wait to complete my MA TEN build is just killing me. Honestly, I know it will be worth the wait for my barrel, but I can't stand waiting any longer. Since you guys are my support group, I'm going to present my options and let you all decide. Option 1: Wait patiently for my barrel to get here from Lothar Walther, and shoot my DPMS frankenrifle in the meantime. I don't have high expectations from the frankenrifle and it feels like a waste of ammo to be perfectly honest. The reason I have "frank" is because he is going to become a Mk12 Mod 0 SPR or Mod 1 SPR (not sure yet) mock-up. Option 2: Order the 18.5" barrel and matched bolt for the SPR build from Fulton Armory, put it on the MA TEN and shoot the living crap out of it until my LW barrel gets here. I would have a build that I can shoot and take pictures of and share with all you guys, and I can put the barrel on "frank" after the LW gets here. Option 3: Go ahead and start buying the parts for the SPR and forget about the MA TEN until I get said SPR finished. I can see this taking more time because of the paperwork for the suppressor & whatnot, but at least I'd be distracted from my MA TEN frustration. Option 3 also means that I would be consulting you guys about whether I should build the Mod 0 or Mod 1, so I'll outline the differences: Mod 0: PRI Gen III Rifle Length FFHG w/ SPR rail system and A.R.M.S #40 rear sight, and flip up front sight/gas block combo. The Mod 0 would also need the just for the sake of an accurate mock-up. or Mod 1: Daniels Defense Light Rail and flip up front sight/gas block combo. I could also use the suppressor of my choice, but I'd prefer AAC's BRAKEOUT™ 51T Compensator/762-SDN-6™ Suppressor combo. Help me out here guys, what should I do?

What a beautiful pussy! (Not a compliment I hand out lightly by the way...) <dontknow> I just couldn't help myself... LOL No seriously, that's a prize take right there. That'd make a great start to a trophy room.

Well, Drew has finally done me in with his thread detailing his journey into proud suppressor ownership. I've found a fellow that helps North Carolinians to legally obtain and own suppressors without unbearable hassle. This thread will serve to document my own trip down the "slow road to sound suppressors" <thumbsup>

My specs for the barrel were: AR-10 profile, fluted, .936 @ gas block, rifle length gas port, .308 winchester match chamber, 20" length threaded 5/8" - 24 tpi for .75" @ muzzle, and an 11-degree recessed target crown. Cost w/ shipping, $435.00 I've been waiting for this dream since early March, it'd better be one outstanding piece of work!

I'm good to go, I just wanted to be part of the thread. :)

You're a good man, no matter what imschur says about you... ;) I'm sure 6132expert and hobbesgunner +1 more unknown participant will appreciate your sacrifice, especially knowing how builds tend to grow around single components that you get. <dontknow> <laughs>

I can't vouch for that particular barrel, but I do have a custom profile from LW in .308 currently in finishing and then it will ship. I haven't gotten it yet, but I'm certainly going to post up my build and a review once I do. I'm pretty sure from what I've read about LW barrels so far that I'm not going to be disappointed.

I've exempted myself as well, being a moderator, and I don't mind purchasing one when the time comes. You should get a PM! <thumbsup>

Congratulations to imschur, Robocop, and 98Z5V. I'm campaigning to find out whose posts imschur and 98Z5V had to delete to get their bolt catches. ;) <munch>