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Eugene Stoner decided that the AR-10 recoil operating system did best at 5.4z buffer weight, with his spring design. I didn't come up with it - the inventor of this platform did. Read what I linked. You need to grasp an understanding of this platform if you're going to second-guess all the information that's given to you. If you want to learn about it - then learn about it. Go learn. Don't expect everyone to spoon-feed you on it. tricky question? No problem. Lack of understanding on the platform - learn the hard way, just like we all did, or listen to the information given you, by the ones that learned the hard way. It's up to you.

Read all the buffer-type posts in this section: https://forum.308ar.com/forum/48-308ar-parts/ Read this: read this: Read this one close - it contains a link to another thread on this stuff - hit that other link in there, too...

Read what I edited in my last post. This is getting painful.

I read this... So I don't know what you're intending. You going fixed stock? Or do you want a collapsible stock setup? You can do either, but it's whatever you want. Things get extremely streamlined if you're doing a fixed stock, and not a collapsible stock. You linked this in your first post, above: https://www.ghostrifles.com/products/skeletonizedstocks?variant=40234197955 In that item description, it specifically states that it "Fits: Mil=Spec Buffer Tube." That would be a carbine receiver extension. Rifle receiver extension don't have a "mil-spec vs.commercial" size to them. Rifle receiver extensions are all the same, no matter what...

Don't do it. The receiver extension is too long internally, and your BCG body will strike the ears on your lower receiver - I'm sure that's something you don't want, on those receivers. The buffer is H1-weighted - not enough a$s to control the mass. That buffer weight doesn't have enough a$s to control the mass of a 308 BCG. You need H3 weight, minimum. We can debate this all night long. I have 3 Aero Precision large-frames, one Matrix, and one DPMS. The DPMS is a rifle recoil system. The others are ALL collapsible stock systems, running the Armalite AR-10 Carbine Recoil System. I'm experimenting with the 4th Aero set right now, on a different recoil system. I've been through the pain here to risk such experimentation, and I'm guessing and gauging what will work. I'm not sure if that's something you want to do with your receiver set. I learned my lesson trying to use that Aero kit you linked. Just go look up all the problems in the PSA large-frame recoil system, and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about, on a DPMS_based large-frame recoil system. It's a vendor shiit-show, routinely, and none of them know what they're doing. You can hear what I'm saying, and do what you want. You can listen to what I'm saying, and save yourself the headaches. It's up to you.

The recoil systems are completely independent of the rifle type, and the recoil system doesn't care what it has to run. The Armalite system will work exceptionally well on either a DPMS-based system, or an Armalite system.

There's a shiitload - literally - of recoil system information here, on this site. I've been adding to it recently, in a great amount.

I wouldn't even mess around, in your shoes, and just do a (real) Armalite AR-10 Carbine Recoil System, complete. It's gonna be a tough enough build - cut out the recoil system headaches, and just use what works.

^^^ That's what this whole thing is about, brother. The Gun Is Civilization. http://www.virtualtacticalacademy.com/files/the_gun_is_civilization.pdf "The Gun Is Civilization" By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100 - pound woman on equal footing with a 220 - pound mugger, a 75 - year old retiree on equal footing with a 19 - year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society. But, a firearm makes it easier for an armed mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier, works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply would not work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation. And that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act !! By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

Buffer details in this thread: Here's how she's looking now. Baby steps, men, baby steps... Rob will be pleased to see that AB Arms Urban Sniper Stock on there. There is a 1.5" total buttstock length adjustment on these, in 1/2" steps. Once you set it on your carbine receiver extension, and get your true length of pull set up at the longest setting, you can then shorten this stock assembly 1.5" for transport. Pretty slick, I'm telling you. I like it already.

Lesson here - That DSG Arms buffer is $22. The AP buffer is $30. For $52, you can get an "almost H3" shorty buffer. That's pretty damn great, right there, if you HAVE to run a shorty buffer. Here's another lesson - Geissele is the only one that I know of that sells tungsten replacement weights, at about $17 each IIRC. That would be $34 for two. You can get the AP shorty buffer for $30, have two tungsten weights, a spare bumper and it's roll pin. That light little aluminum body isn't worth anything afterwards, but you're not out anything on it, either...

Gonna compare two short (2.5") .308 AR Carbine buffers. Aero Precision vs. DSG Arms. This specific Aero Part: https://aeroprecisionusa.com/308-carbine-buffer.html vs. this DSG Arms part: https://dsgarms.com/dsg-4201-0021 The body on the AP shorty buffer is aluminum. The body on the DSG shorty is stainless steel. Bonus. Here's the whole DSG Arms shorty buffer. Comes in at 3.55oz. Not quite H1-weight, but close. H1 weight would be 3.8oz. It's a sexy little bastard. Here's the AP short buffer, complete. It's 3.8oz, so it's a true H1-weighted buffer. What?! How the hell is the Aero buffer heavier than the DSG, when the DSG is a stainless body?! Hehehe... Tungsten. Here's the DSG body weight, stripped down. Here's the Aero body, stripped down... Quite the difference in the body weights, right there... The DSG stainless-body shorty buffer is filled with the two pads and two steel weights, each weighing 0.65oz. The aluminum Aero shorty body is filled with TWO tungsten weights! Each one is 1.40oz. So, let's slap those two tungsten weights in that DSG Stainless body, and come up with an almost-H3 buffer! 5.15oz. True H3 buffers weigh 5.4oz, but this is pretty close. For shiits a grins, lets load up that Aero body with the steel weights... Pretty light... 2.15oz buffer right there... Not worth anything, at that weight, really.

When it turned to physical violence, that's when it all changed. Doesn't matter how much posturing, mouth-running, etc. As soon as it turned to physical violence, it changed the entire dynamic of that confrontation.

This was seriously one my favorite setups. We got Aimpoints, and this mount came in the kit. It was the only way to run irons and the red dot, then. Hell, this was even before we got the KAC rails, and still had the plastic handguards. (not my pic, best one I could find). This certainly wasn't a "slow" setup - it was awesome! I need to get on that...

Yeah. If you ARE NOT Handicapped, don't park in a Handicapped parking space... It's sad that it's come to gunfire, but damn. It came to violence over that. I hate how they're "clouding over" this. Don't park in a Handicapped parking space, if you're not Handicapped. "Being Lazy" doesn't Entitle you to that. Walk your as$ to the door... http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/22/florida-sheriff-says-stand-your-ground-law-prevents-arrest-in-fatal-shooting-in-parking-spot-dispute.html Florida sheriff says 'Stand Your Ground' law prevents arrest in fatal shooting in parking spot dispute By Robert Gearty | Fox News A Florida sheriff says the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law prevents the arrest of a man who fatally shot another man last week during an argument over a handicapped parking spot. Markeis McGlockton, 28, shoved Michael Drejka, 47, to the ground during the argument Thursday at a Clearwater convenience store and then was shot and killed when Drejka, from a sitting position, pulled out a gun he legally owned and opened fire, shooting McGlockton once in the chest. “He told deputies that he had to shoot to defend himself. Those are the facts and that’s the law," Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said, according to WFTS-TV. “No matter how you slice it or dice it that was a violent push to the ground.” Gualtieri announced Drejka had been cleared Friday. His decision led to a small protest at the store Saturday, Fox 13 Tampa reported. The State Attorney General could still make an arrest. Fox 13 on Friday aired surveillance video showing the shooting and the moments leading up to it. The station quoted Gualtieri as saying the facts were clear: McGlockton violently shoved Drejka to the ground and Drejka feared for his life. Because of that, he was covered under "Stand Your Ground.” McGlockton, of Clearwater, shoved Drejka after he came out of the store and saw Drejka arguing with his girlfriend Britany Jacobs, 25, who was parked in the handicapped parking spot. Drejka, also of Clearwater, confronted her because she didn’t have a permit to legally park there, the Tampa Bay Times reported. McGlockton had gone inside to purchase snacks and sodas with their 5-year-old son, according to the paper. Jacobs was waiting for him in their car with their two other children, a 4-month-old and a 3-year-old. Jacobs told WFTS that Drejka was getting away with murder. “How is this 'Stand Your Ground' law?" she asked. "It’s not! Markeis pushed him, how does that justify a bullet?” The Tampa Bay Times reported interviewing Rick Kelly, 31, who said that two months ago he was at the store and parked in the same handicapped spot. He said he saw Drejka walking around his vehicle checking to see if he had a permit, which he didn’t. He said that during the ensuing argument Drejka threatened to shoot him. "It’s a repeat,” Kelly told the paper. “It happened to me the first time. The second time it’s happening, someone’s life got taken. He provoked that." That doesn’t matter, Gualtieri told reporters when he announced that Drejka wouldn’t be charged. “What’s relevant is not whether this guy’s a good guy, nice guy, or whether he’s a jerk, or whether he’s a thorn in people’s side and what he’s done, whether it’s three weeks ago, three months ago or three years ago,” the sheriff said. “What’s relevant and the only thing we can look at here is was he in fear of further bodily harm.” Here's the video:

I'm literally, no kidding, about to buy another Plan B bag. I've just about worn this one out, and I'm not kidding. It's 5 years old, and it's REALLY a daily carry, everywhere. I don't leave home without it, and it's never far from me, if it's not ON me. What a great bag... I'll salvage the old one, pack it full with med/emergency gear, and just leave it in the truck if/for when I need it. It still functions, I've just worn a few straps away over time. If I get a new one now, this one I have now will live even longer. Fucking love it.

I was reminded of this today when I took a new rifle out to shoot/zero an optic. 6.5 Grendel. What a badass barrel this is turning out to be! At any rate, it kicked a little more than a typical 5.56 gun, which a Grendel will typically do. No big deal. When I got back home today, I pulled the buffer. Shiit - I didn't even remember what recoil system I put in this one. Turns out, it was just a regular AR15 buffer in this gun, with a 7" internal-depth receiver extension. Spring was stout - as it should be. That was an AR15 carbine spring from DSG Arms. I decided to toss the buffer on the gram-scale. Came out to 2.95oz. Hmmm, aren't standard AR15 carbine buffers supposed to be 3.0oz?... Alright, I'm not sweating a few grams here or there, and the gun had some 6.5G recoil to it - it is a hot-rodded cartridge for the small-frame AR. Lo and behold, what do I have here, that I have no idea what to do with?... A PSA buffer that came in a .308AR recoil system, and it's marked "H." Let's weigh this thing... H buffers are supposed to be 3.8 oz. This PSA H buffer came in at 3.85oz... Okay, for the Grendel, I'll take it, and I'll shoot it, and I'll see what it does. It'll definitely soften up that recoil "feel" a little. I'll try an H2 in this Grendel, too, and see what that does. Bottom line up front (at the end), buffers are WAY more important that people - and manufacturers - think they are. Thank God, Eugene Stoner figured all that out for the larger-framed rifles, a LONG time ago. Too bad that manufacturers nowadays ignore his genius...

This is what buffers do. What a great article. I bitch endlessly here about buffers, and the right-weighted buffer for what you're trying to shoot. Damn, we have manufacturers that can't even figure out the basics of a buffer. This article explains it well. KEEP IN MIND... this article is geared for AR15s. For .308ARs, buffers are a WAY HEAVIER proposition. Don't lose sight of that, when you read this article... You might not really be "undergassed." You're probably not "overgassed." You really need to understand the role that buffer weight plays, before you can make that assessment... http://www.rifleshootermag.com/gunsmithing/changing-buffer-weight-on-ar15s/ Changing Buffer Weight on AR15s by David Fortier | August 26th, 2016 Inside a standard buffer you’ll find three steel weights and three rubber pads. You can change the way your rifle runs by swapping out buffers (from l.): Colt H2 (4.6 ounces); Heavybuffers.com LWRCI’s UCIW (5.5), HSS (6.5) and XH (8.2); a standard buffer (3.0); MGI (7.1); and Spike’s Tactical ST-T2 (4.1). Of all the parts on an AR15, the buffer is perhaps the most insipid. It spends its life hidden in the receiver extension, and when pulled free, it does little to cause excitement. Flat on one end, round in the middle, with a “thingy” on the other end, it’s rather boring to look at. Shake it next to your ear and you’ll hear something rattling about inside. But what does it do, and how can it be hot-rodded to your benefit? To operate reliably with a diverse array of loads in conditions ranging from extreme heat to extreme cold, even when dirty, requires a careful balancing act. An AR needs to have enough gas tapped off to cycle the action forcefully but not excessively. If too much gas is tapped off, felt recoil and wear on the mechanism is increased. Too little and the action will not cycle properly, leading to malfunctions, failure to feed or failure of the bolt to lock back on the last round. Typically, a factory AR carbine will normally be a bit over-gassed to ensure reliable function even in extreme conditions. While being a bit over-gassed aids reliability, it is not always advantageous or even desirable. This is especially true for recreational use or for various types of competition where a lighter-recoiling and smoother-operating cycle is desired. For such use it is possible to tune how the carbine cycles by adjusting the weight of the reciprocating mass: the buffer. Simply increasing the buffer weight of the reciprocating mass can provide noticeable benefits, including reducing felt recoil and muzzle movement and providing additional mass to aid feeding during the loading cycle. The easiest and most cost-effective way to do this is to simply replace your standard buffer with a heavier model. If you take apart a standard carbine buffer (which requires only a punch and a hammer: simply drive out the retaining pin and pop off the synthetic pad), you’ll find three steel weights and three rubber pads inside. If you weigh a standard buffer, you’ll find it’s three ounces; the steel weights and the pads account for about 1.9 ounces of that. Carbine buffers are available in a variety of weights. Colt developed heavier models for certain applications, including the H1 (3.8 ounces), H2 (4.6 ounces) and H3 (5.4 ounces). The H1 uses two steel weights and one tungsten weight, the H2 uses two tungsten and one steel weight while the H3 uses three tungsten weights. If you have a standard buffer and you buy an H3 buffer you can use their weights to build both an H1 and an H2. Colt’s H series is the most common, but there are also other buffer weights and designs available from the aftermarket. My favorite, which I have used for years, is MGI’s Rate and Recoil Reducing buffer. The MGI buffer features tungsten weights combined with a spring-loaded shock absorber. Its 7.1-ounce weight (more than twice as heavy as a standard buffer) provides a slight delay in bolt unlock timing. This provides extra time for the swelled case to release its grip on the chamber wall, aiding extraction. The bolt/carrier/buffer’s rearward movement is also slower due to the increased weight. When the MGI buffer strikes the rear of the receiver extension, its mechanical plunger propels the internal tungsten weights forward. These contact the rearward-moving buffer body (internally) and cause a cancellation of the rearward movement just prior to bottoming out. The masses then come to a complete stop, eliminating much of the felt recoil that would otherwise be transmitted to the shooter. When the recoil spring drives the buffer/carrier/bolt assembly forward, it is also at a slower speed. This provides additional time for the magazine to present the next cartridge. However, it has greater momentum due to the increased weight, which aids feeding. After the bolt locks, the MGI’s internal tungsten weights provide a follow-up hit into the front end of the buffer, eliminating bolt bounce. Felt recoil is noticeably reduced. The only downside is its cost: $165. Another option is HeavyBuffers.com, which offers a wide variety of AR buffers, 9mm buffers, AR-10 buffers and special designs for Vltor’s A5 system and LWRCI’s UCIW short receiver extension. The HSS features a stainless steel body, tungsten weights and beefy 6.5-ounce weight. The XH model is the heaviest on the market, tipping the scales at 8.5 ounces—almost three times the weight of a standard unit. Both the HSS and XH are machined from solid 303 stainless steel and sport a smooth, polished finish. They are assembled using tungsten anti-bounce weights, stainless steel roll pins and synthetic pads. They’re nicely made and quite effective. Price is $75 for the HSS and $125 for the XH. Adding weight to the reciprocating mass is just one possible solution. Another route preferred by competition shooters is to go with a lighter buffer weight, which reduces felt recoil and allows quicker recovery between shots. However, if you do this, you must replace your standard non-adjustable gas block with an adjustable unit because you have to turn down the gas flow with the lighter buffer weight. One option is Taccom’s LW AR-15 recoil system, which features a Delrin buffer weighing less than one ounce. Price is $23 for a carbine-length buffer and $25 for a rifle-length buffer. My final thoughts. If it’s a service gun, leave it alone. If it’s over-gassed, and you don’t have an adjustable gas block, adding a heavier buffer can noticeably reduce felt recoil. If you do have an adjustable gas system, reducing buffer weight can do wonderful things. Don’t be afraid to experiment and have fun with Stoner’s wonderful creation.

Evans Creek ORV Area. Elbe Hills ORV Area. Both those places are just beastly. Evans Creek is the shiit, brother. The 520 trail is sweet, but you better be ready if you try to drive up the 311A trail. That's a bad motherfucker. http://www.nwjeepn.com/Maps/Evanscreek.pdf

NICE!!! That's one of the MAIN things I miss about living there, brother. Diving for crab in the Puget Sound. Red Rocks were my main go-to, and the least amount I ever took out on one dive was 24 of them. The other thing I really miss is... wheelin' the Jeep there. You can't beat that wet, muddy, hill-climbin', slingin' the Jeep around a huge tree kinda shiit. Some of the toughest trails in the nation, up there - because of the wet. Fuk I miss that place sometimes...

It helps getting that red dot farther forward - as far as you can. The farther out it is, the faster you are on-target. That AP mount pushed it out there about another 2". Man, what we wouldn't give for another 2"....

We are. Hands down. Think about that, for a minute... We have all kinds of people from military to law enforcement, machinists to eye doctors... gunsmiths everywhere,on multiple platforms... engineers, lawyers, and true patriots abound, overflowing at the seams... What could we, collectively, fail to accomplish?!... Nothing. We would fail at nothing.

In this thread (linked below) are all the details on the brake, overlap of barrel threads (really needs to be considered on these 13.5" barrels), and all the other details on the build. OP, this has to be close to what you're intended on doing. Can't be far off, that's for sure.

Final summary on this thing - it just runs, and runs, and runs. Here's what it looked like after paint: And here's the Grand Finale - once I finally got off my a$s and got the AP red dot mount, and painted it. At this point, Done. Really done.

Sorry - this was yesterday! I cooked all this up, chowed down, and immediately went into a food coma! Found a couple GREAT ribeyes, thick ones! Had to pick up some fresh green beans to go with this. The Ribeyes only got the salt treatment. Let them come up to room temp, moderately salt one side and let them sit for at least 45 minutes. Repeat for the other side. These guys went a little over an hour per side. That's the only seasoning they get, nothing else. They don't come out super-salty - the salt sits in that room temp meat, and starts to break for the tissue. DAMN, do they come out tender!!! Green beans went on at low heat well before the meat went on the grill - whole stick of butter, chopped onion half, and a heavy spoonful of wet diced garlic. Bring that stuff up to a butter-boil, cut the heat to low,toss in the fresh green beans, cover,... and walk away from it. While those were simmering, I started on the beef-stock gravy. Potatoes were easy. Once the gravy was getting close, pulled it from the heat, and lit off the grill. 7 mins per side at 425 on the grill for those ribeyes, awesome just-under-medium or a little beyond medium rare. Yank 'em, come back in, turn the heat up high on those green beans and sear them a little - by then, the ribeyes has rested. It was game on! I was knocked the fuk OUT after chowing that down yesterday, and didn't get to tell you guys about it...