survivalshop Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 I'm starting this in the shotgun section now because its more about the 870 than general . It's in the General section under "Muzzle in safe direction "Short story , while hunting this past gun season in Ohio , my 870 fired a sabot slug into the ground , I had it on a single point sling & muzzle was pointing behind me & at the ground of course , safety on & my hands .arms were resting on the butt stock.This 870 had a trigger job done three years ago & had a nice 4# consistent pull . The hammer sear just pulled or sheared off , the hammer would not reset after that .So much for a short story , but I pulled it all apart , got an" Accuracy Speaks " hammer kit from Brownells Replace it , with the kits sear replacement spring & after some fitting of the new pin to the slide latch/disconnector & peening the end of the pin in the washer provided , put the assembly back together & into the 870.A trigger pull gauge showed I had a consistent 1.5 # trigger pull , not my kind of pull for a hunting shotgun , but I can not make it trip with out pulling on the trigger the way it should work .The " Timmney 870 trigger fix"is next , comes with a set of three different spring weights . Might try the stock on also . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imschur Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 You know this is the first time I have seen an 870 apart and I have lived with one for 46.5 years. I like what your doing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tripledeuce Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Replace the sear, also. It was almost certinally affected when the hammer let go and was almost certinly stoned when the "trigger job" was done. Respectfully Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Replace the sear, also. It was almost certinally affected when the hammer let go and was almost certinly stoned when the "trigger job" was done. Respectfully TerryAgree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted April 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Finally got around to picking up & installing the 870 fix by Timney triggers , nice part . Problem I have is the safety doesn't hold with the fix in , but if I put the stock sear in , it works just fine . I checked it out & the sear is being moved with just installing the trigger plate bushing . Could also be tolerance stacking between the new hammer & sear . I'm not new at this , so it shouldn't be much to figure out , just want to see what Timney says . I will post some photo's after I get in touch with Timney to see what they say. Could be that the Smith that did the trigger work ,did some thing to the trigger , who knows . I also have a new trigger assembly( with gold trigger ) & a trigger( for a spare ) , just to play with it if I find more was adj. on the trigger when the trigger job was done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted April 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 I think the whole problem is the Accuracy Speaks trigger , its set up far too light for the purpose I intended the use it for . If I use the factory spring & sear , it will Hold , but I don't trust it. If I use any of the different springs that come with the Timney kit , it will drop the hammer , if you squeeze it hard or pump the trigger. I have a new 870 3" mag , & plan to compare the two together & set up the new carrier assemble from it & install the Timney kit into it ( with out the AS hammer) & see how it works . When the factory sear spring & sear on the AS hammer ,I had between 51/2 # _ 6 # pull & it sucked eggs . No matter what spring I used or how I adj. the adj on the sear , it was about 11/2 # pull . Not what I want for a Hunting firearm. It even warns you in the instructions ,thats its for target guns. I will keep this carrier assembly for spare parts & get another assembly for this 870 ( unless I like the way the new carrier assembly works , that I'm taking out of the new 870 shotgun . I have plenty of photo's & will post them when all is done ,so we can see the solution . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 1 1/2# pull on a shotgun? I don't get it. Totally different solution to the question "What's the best way to get a projectile to the target?" When you're sending one projectile long distance, that 1 1/2# trigger may be an asset (rifles to hundreds of yards, pistols for target purposes)...but with a firearm sending a cloud of lead to the target, under 100 yards? That being said, in the Brownell's Q&A for this product, they even give an ambiguous advisement against using it on anything other than a slug-only shotgun. I'd buy a whole new trigger group from Remington, then have someone competent stone the engagement surfaces for you. Then mess around with the spring set-up. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 As mentioned previously on the RRA 2 stage isn't stoning the trigger and removing the hardened surface a detriment to the life of the trigger???? As on responses to the issue was using a dab of grease on surfaces.If anything change of spring tension. <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 I believe alot of it depends on the part being stoned (how well it was heat treated) and who's doing the stoning. I've cleaned up crappola trigger pulls with a couple of stone passes. I've ruined triggers with several stone passes. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted April 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Well, this is on a DSG ( designated slug gun ) the original FCG had a professional trigger job done about three years ago( I didn't want to mess with it & the price was right ) & the hammer sear engagement surface failed & I had a acidental discharge while standing next to the road to our hunting camp. I wanted some thing that was made better than the factory parts , at least better metallurgy. I took the Trigger group out of the new 870 , I bought as a spare (got a deal from a friend , was never shot ) & since all the 870 mag trigger assemblies are the same now a days ( all plastic ) I fitted the Timney kit in & with the four pound sear spring in there I am getting a consistent 31/2 # pull & the safety works . I did notice as I was comparing the two Trigger assemblies ,I did notice a crack in the shell carrier , which I never noticed before . Has nothing to do with the FCG ,but another reason to get a new trigger assembly for this shotgun. I have a bunch of photos , just have to find time to get them from my camera card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 3 1/2#s is very doable. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted April 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Ya, kinda happy about it & it breaks clean. Now I have to figure how to reduce the size of the photo's I uploaded on this new Macbook pro. Edited April 27, 2013 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted April 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Trigger assembly Check out the crack more to follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted May 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 I ordered the trigger assembly today , last one for a 12ga. , super mag . Said the std 12,ga., mag would not work . The only difference I can see between the two is the 31/2 trigger assem. from my slug gun is the grove in front of the trigger guard . May be for the longer 31/2 shells , but I only use 2/34 slugs any way . I will do a more detailed comparison when it gets here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted May 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Got new trigger group in & changed & fitted the new gold trigger in . Also installed the Timney Trigger fix & came up with a 3 3/4 #, nice & crisp pull , shot better than the other professional trigger job , that went bad . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Excellent bro! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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