first of a huge thanks to wash for all the tips and instruction!!! got real buts this time: all rubbed down, i didnt need to run the meat down in anything to make the rub stick, the juice from the injection was seeping out of the meat and worked well to adhear the rub found this at a gordon food service, i added it to the rub russ had posted back in sept. bout half way thru finished product turned out better then last time. think i may try a brisket next.