I love em too for what they are and thats a long range battle optic. Made tough enough to take to war. But the glass quality just isn't there for me after using steiner, s&b, and Zeiss. They offered me a 30-40 percent discount but its off their manufacturer price. Basically the prices they offered were 10-20 bucks cheaper than buying from optics planet or midway. Not enough for me to put money into an optic I worry ide hafta pussyfoot around with. Ill just stick to my go to brands.