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The JP recoil eliminator is awesome! The reticle does not move when shooting prone off a properly loaded bipod. I bet a child could shoot this rifle with no problem. They are loud though, but I was going for zero muzzle flip not peace and quiet. I don't give a poop about the noise. It's a gun. Guns go boom. I find it stupid when people with suppressors get all snotty the rest of us don't care or want to spend the loot on a can. They don't reduce the noise THAT much, and there is still quite a bit of muzzle flip compared to a great brake. The JP does reduce recoil as advertised, though it's greatest attribute is no muzzle flip. Follow up shots are fast. Precision Rifle Blog has quite a bit of info on muzzle treatments and this brake comes out on top for staying on target. Other than the 'nice-to-haves' below, this rifle is rocking. It took one year to get it tuned. It's got over a thousand rounds through it now. Wish list: Hog Saddle w/tripod full length Pic rail on new handguard FLIR Mountain full of coyotes

Shooting is a blast. I have a purpose for shooting. For me it is training. Here are my major training goals, not broken up into methods or steps - just major milestones in order. I am working on a training plan using specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, and time bound criteria. YES I do also just blast away for fun. The progression is single to multiple targets, single shot to multiple shots to rapid fire, known to unknown distances, static to moving targets, turret adjustment to hold over only, then mixed variables - all with excellent fundamentals. For example: Hit a stationary target with a single shot at known distance.Rapid fire on single stationary target at known distance using turret and hold overHit multiple targets at known distances with single shots with turret adjustments Hit multiple targets at known distances with single shots with hold overs Hit multiple targets at known distances with rapid fire with turret adjustments and hold overs Hit single targets at unknown distances with single shots (turret adjustments then hold overs)Hit single targets at unknown distances with rapid fire (turret adjustments then hold overs)Hit multiple targets at unknown distances with single shots (turret adjustments then hold overs)Et cetera... Does anyone else have training goals they can share?

Rifle Update I got a Caldwall Dead Shot rifle tripod for my birthday. This thing is sweet (once it is set up properly for the rifle). It's got enough adjustments on it to make even my rifle comfortable. It sure sits a lot more still than I do unassisted. Dry firing is fun with this. Eventually I'd like to upgrade to a Manfrotto with a Hog Saddle. I bought 640 rounds of ZQI on sale for barely 300$. It is hot ammo - 45 grains. I was having every malfunction possible shooting this stuff - even with a JP adjustable gas block, but it is accurate ammo. I talked to ZQI who referred me to a technical consultant. I replaced the stock action spring with a Tubbs CS flat coil spring and the rifle works great now. The rifle action also feels a lot more smooth. The bolt was opening early and that was doing all sorts of fun stuff to my rifle. Semi auto .308s are interesting in that they have timing issues measured in milliseconds when not set up properly. I then had to replace the firing pin because the business side was so beat up. A lot of primer fragments had been jammed in and out of it from the problem described. I recently bought a Sightmark Ultra Shot Pro Spec NV QD reflex sight from Amazon (on sale for 95$). I put it on the Bull and sighted it for 25 yards. It is awesome. If I do that rifle course again I am using this sight. I have a QD mount on the current scope - which hasn't lost zero when removed and attached again. I felt like having a short range emergency set up would be a good back up plan. I love this optic. I had an idea to sell off the Viper Vortex and buy an EOTech reflex and magnifier. Then I'd have to learn how to shoot like those open sight competitors. I don't know if my eye sight is up to that. I have to use shoot'n'sees at 100 yards. I also bought a box of Hornady Tap FPD rounds... which after I purchased did not make any sense because any .308 round is going to bust up a human body. Is it really necessary to buy an expensive round if it isn't a competition round? My next trip out will be to experiment with switching out the long and short range optics several times to see what kind of POI changes I get. The lesson I learned at the square range yesterday was that sighting is a two man job if you really want to do it right. But we're going to head out to the desert and I'm going to do this experiment correctly. Finally, I bought a JP recoil eliminator (in the mail). If you've never seen it, it's like the opposite of a suppressor to bystanders. I'm sure I'll be spending more time in the desert or on the farm and less on the square range around other people once this is installed. I still haven't found the precision limit. I think it is a sub MOA rifle but I am not yet there. Putting bullets through pre existing holes is not one of my training goals. Hey maybe I'll start a thread about training goals...

If you aren't convinced you need PT: https://mountainguerrilla.wordpress.com/2015/04/17/the-ol-one-two/

https://www.t-nation.com/training/predator-conditioning (That's the conditioning half.) Personally, for conditioning, I do barbell complexes, bodyweight skiing exercise circuits, and I use a Prowler II several times a week in various ways (sprint light, push heavy, sets of sprints, finish rounds of complexes with single pushes, et cetera). Nothing beats a Prowler for conditioning. I have a strength regimen and conditioning regimen as well as a rifle complex with a 25# plate. The rifle complex follows: From a kneeling position with plate on floor, stand up while also raising plate. Kneel back down, alternating legs leading to standing up and kneeling. Stand up six times. On the sixth rep, hold the plate out for ten seconds, then press the plate in and out from the chest at shoulder height five times, then return to the floor. You can control all the variables. I usually do five sets of this with a 25# plate and one minute rests (~1:1 work:rest ratio). Sometimes I go light, use a ten pound plate, do more reps before the hold and press, and shorten the rests. For strength, currently I am training for ski season so there is a lot of unilateral leg work and lots of rotational core exercise. No matter what I am training for I always squat (front and back), press (overhead and bench), row, pull ups, lunge, power clean, and deadlift. The variations and other exercises are rotated in and out depending on the training goal. The rep schemes and weights also change depending on the goal. I found that working on certain attributes per session got me better results with far less fatigue and injury than working on everything all the time (CrossFit). I have experience in powerlifting, olympic lifting, and general strength training. And now dry land training for skiing. For me, my best results have come from a six day microcycle: strength/condition/rest x 2. Squat on both strength days, and do some kind of upper body movement with it also. Then on conditioning days I do more sport specific work, accessory movements, and alternate days between aerobic, isometric/eccentric for skiing, and anaerobic. Next year, after ski season, I will return to max strength training (as opposed to high rep sub maximal weights). Last year I spent a lot of time on 5/3/1 and variants. If you need a straightforward strength training program then check out Jim Wendler's 5/3/1. But there are some methods of mine. I've also published some articles on EliteFTS.com if you want to read more. http://www.elitefts.com/tag/cain-morano/ Let me direct your attention specifically to the article about injury free progress, originally titled, "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should".

https://www.t-nation.com/training/predator-conditioning

(pics below) There is not a lot of first hand information out about this series of rifles yet. I have seen quite a bit about the Recon but not much else. After using my current DPMS Gen 2 rifle in a course recently I would like to try the Recon. - 24" bull barrel (0.936") stainless steel, 1:10 twist - Tube handguard - 0.308/7.62 x 51 - Vortex Viper HS LR 4 - 16 x 50 - JP adjustable gas block - Geissele G2S trigger - ATI Scorpion pistol grip - Magpul PRS stock - Blackhawk 14.5" - 29" bipod - Painted for scrub oak in northern Utah - During the rifle course I used a Blackhawk three point sling...as a two point sling - >15 pounds - >44 inches long I ran it in a carbine/handgun course a couple of weeks ago. To my regular strength programming, I had to add an extra training routine specific to lifting and driving a heavy rifle. I am glad I did. It is clearly going to be slower than an AR 15 at half the weight but it was ridiculously fun to shoot! It is a sub MOA rifle but I haven't found its limit yet. I'm still learning to shoot and the better I get the more accurate and precise it becomes. I recently bought the Magpul Dynamics video, "The Art of the Precision Rifle" and I look forward to shooting my rifle one mile as they shoot in that video... someday. The reliability is almost 100% - I had a bunch of double feeds during the course but that was with the stock mag I suspect. Also, the batch of ammo I was using was causing double feeds the weeks before which I got rid of by adjusting the gas block (don't know how that one works but it did). The problems with double feeds may be due to the ammo and bolt bounce or something. I don't know - most likely magazine malfunction. Once I used only the Magpul mags the rifle ran fine. Magpul mags are totally reliable - but I have to sand down the follower to get the bolt to lock back on this particular rifle. It is an awesome rifle, fun to shoot, and would make a good weapon for shooting in roles not CQB. I've shot it to 800 yards so far but do not have grouping data. I've tested PMC and Fiocchi ammo. I recommend an adjustable gas block to tune to each batch of ammo. The last batch of PMC was super hot so recoil and bolt action was obnoxious. The weird thing is lately the free floating pin started leaving a teeny dimple on the primer when feeding before firing. The machining out of the box was "ok". I mean, it's a production gun so what do I expect? I did a little polishing of the BCG lands and underside of the BCG for smoother movement and polished the feed ramp because it was gouging the bullet. I use heavy grease (but not greasing heavily) on the moving parts. The factory trigger was terrible. It had a heavy, scratchy pull. Even after polishing out the sear notch, I only got one smooth pull and then it was notched again. The receivers fit well, though not tightly. The rifle is easy to break down. The advantage of the DPMS Gen 2s is the series of new features for reliability - monolithic BCG/gas key, new material in extractor spring, dual ejector (another reason you need an adjustable gas block or else you'll be hiking to pick up your brass), rounded bolt lugs for smoother seat/unseat, and some other stuff. Oh yeah, the beveled mag well is nice. The disadvantage for DPMS Gen 2s is compatibility. The dimensions are between AR10 and AR15, so swapping out moving parts will be more miss than hit. Also, you can't swap uppers, lowers, or barrels. DPMS says barrels should be available 2016. Magpul B.A.D. lever does not fit, JP SCS also does not fit (see that story in a different post). You're stuck with the BCG, receivers, and barrel for now. Here is a video of the final drill with the rifle just for funsies at the urban rifle course held by CTIA at PMAA in SLC... Let me get this out there: I have little idea what I am doing. It was awesome and I learned a bunch of cool stuff though! We covered shooting and moving, multiple targets, and other things that are not for beginners really.

There's a California button on my toaster so I can't swap slices of bread too fast. Also, thank you for that post Robo. That is an interesting narrative for this site. (newly revealed to me anyway)

The B.A.D. lever does not fit DPMS Gen 2 rifles. At least not the Bull...

I called JP this morning. There is no work around. The JP SCS will not fit the Gen 2 series. The piston, and therefore the stroke length is too short. Oh well. They are cool enough to send me a replacement spacer (and a retention screw for their adjustable gas block) so I can send this back to Brownell.

I just bought a JP SCS for my G2 Bull. The spacer was a bit too long, the bolt catch wasn't keeping the bolt locked back. I took off enough material to lock it back. Now there is a gap between the bolt and buffer when the bolt is closed and there isn't enough pressure to close the bolt. I need to call about this theoretical work around. It is probably because the G2 is bigger than an AR-15 and smaller than an AR-10. These G2s are cool but not compatible with everything. Story behind my purchase... Recently bought a lot of PMC. I didn't have my Allen keys for the adjustable gas block I installed and these round were hot. The guys I shoot with reload and we dumped out a cartridge. There was a whole lot more than 40 grains of powder. I mean I had two failures to feed. The rounds jammed in diagonally and we had to pull the charging handle hard to get these out. I mean the cases were bent. It was either a bolt bounce or the rounds were knocked out of the mag (as opposed to being 'stripped off' and loaded) and wasn't able to seat correctly. My solutions, aside from remembering to reset the gas block for each new load, was to find a buffer system that wouldn't ram the rounds so hard they bend if they get caught wrong. The JP SCS is smooth and does not have a lot of tension. I imagine it works awesome. I will update this post after I talk to JP and/or DPMS.

PRS stock + JP adjustable gas block

That is an awesome way to put it and a great negotiation strategy. We agree to safety and integrity if 'the people' can agree to let us have our rights.

Any shooters here from anywhere near SLC? Contact me if you are interested in creating something like the following. I can't find it online so the next best thing is to find the people that know how to do it and set it up with them. Part of this is not unique and some of it is. It may be awesome to run into the same people repeatedly at the range or in courses but there is something to be said for pooling knowledge and experience on your own time and more frequently. Check this out... Blue-sky-big-hairy-veiny-audacious-goal: If I could join any civilian gun club for networking, training, and competition I wanted here is what it would look like... Battle Rifle Gun Club We are a club focusing on semi-automatic .308/7.62 x 51/'AR 10 and variants' owners that meets regularly to engage in battle rifle and designated marksman training and competition for defense applications. What is the format? -typical single or multi day fundamental training courses -continuous training programs meeting weekly (like a 'gunfight club' or any martial arts program) -scenario training -force on force training (.308 against .308, .308 against other) -special topics training (e.g. technical aspects of the firearm) -guest instructors in special topic seminar format (just like martial arts seminars but with guns) For basic training: -battle rifle fundamentals (safety, manipulation, malfunctions) -basic marksmanship with iron sights and scopes at all ranges -emphasizing 200 to 800 yard shooting with multiple timed shots -including 0 to 200 yard engagement to establish fundamentals of rapid engagement with big guns -including primary-to-secondary-to-primary weapon transitions -use of terrain such as mountains, desert, and mock urban set up For advanced training: -various sized team deployment and patrol techniques -village/perimeter defense for preppers -bugging in and bugging out with the big bore -integrating firearms with emergency preparation What do we need to do this? -expertise -experience -property -participation Any one interested? If you vote, please explain why you voted the way you did.

I was looking for battle rifle training as well or designated marksman training and came across this. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?9529-Winter-Sniper-Course-at-North-Springs-Range-Feb.-27-28th-2015 I contacted the guy. He's pretty cool and the information he gave me about his courses looked like they fit the bill. Contact him with your request for training and see what he says. That particular course is held in Utah, is shorter, and less expensive than Gunsite's. He runs training just about year round.

DNP: +1, thumb up, like, so on and so forth... Hey I just bought that guy's cookbook, "The WIseguy Cookbook". Interesting stories and tasty recipes. Also, I bought the Pelican 1750 after culling much feedback from the world wide interporn. It is a beast. I have not air traveled with it yet though. With a DPMS Gen 2 Bull + scope (~15#) it weighs ~35#. But the story goes that this case was tested by the military by dropping it out of a plane at 20K feet with a .408 CheyTac in it and it didn't lose zero. Maybe an urban legend, I don't know the specifics. In any case, the interporn says the TSA likes this case and I like it too. Plus, it looks cool at the range. When you wheel this thing in people will watch to see what you have in it.

Ahhhh.... this one just screams PDW all over. What? Is that... I hear something... someone breaking in through the basement door?

We need a thumb up/like button. This is the best thread ever. +1s to everyone - especially the videos and the letter. I love talking about Randy Weaver with left wingers. I always bring it up regarding his arsenal - which was legal. Invariably, the conversation then follows this course: "But he was a racist!". "That's not against the law. He didn't break the law and then the feds shot his friend, his dog, and his family." .... "But he was racist!". Like fucking retarded parrots... Oh yeah, wasn't Ruby Ridge one of the cases the white-people-with-guns-hater Eric Holder recused himself from?

2 x 180 round cases of Fiocchi 150 grain FMJBT .308. The gun show in SLC was awesome this weekend. The last two were kind of...meh... There was a lot of great stuff for sale this time. Great vendors.

My family and I moved out here to Utah from the east coast (New York then Maryland - possibly the two most oppressive environments in the US) to try something new. I just got into guns. On the east coast there are gulags and political reeducation programs if you express interest in firearms. Utah is awesome! You walk into a store, you buy a gun, you walk out with the gun the same day! Anyway, I already put my shtick on the 'why am I shooting a .308' thread (or whatever it is called) already so I am not going to reiterate those points. I like the projects the site owner is working on. Good stuff! PS Guns are awesome. I love guns. Did I mention that I am enthused about being immersed in the gun culture?

I needed a weapon system for a worst case survival scenario (i.e. collapse of executive branch, poop hitting fans, that sort of thing). I started looking at survival in terms of military disciplines. Long distance shooting is cool, and I appreciate the sniper's catalog of skills, but that didn't fit. Even for fun, beyond 1000 yards is not appealing right now. Short range, like house clearing, is not something I want to do - though I can see the utility in infantryman skills, especially in survival scenarios. Ruling out infantry and sniper, I defined the action I would take as perimeter defense, hunting for food, and defending the village from marauders. I discovered the designated marksman role and found his firepower, range, and application to fit my interest. * (My interest based on no experience). I started studying the genealogy of the battle rifle and how the DM used accurized battle rifles and infantry rifles. It was an awesome story about how the AR 10 and FN FAL were developed and deployed. Eventually the battle rifle morphed into black rifles, rather I shall call them MSRs. I am glad I did my research because I was originally looking for an FAL because it was called the right arm of the free world and it is a 7.62. I wanted a larger caliber round and not a communist weapon. My research led me to discover the AR 10 and its modern variants, the aforementioned MSRs. I bought a DPMS Gen 2 Bull. It's awesome. Really, I bought it because it is big and shiny. Sure, it fits the need (hunting rifle, survival in very specific situations) but I bought it because it looked awesome in the catalog. It is an awesome platform ready for parts. I bought a Vortex Viper HS LR scope for it and Magpul BUS. I feel like every rifle owner should know marksmanship well enough to use iron sights only in as many ranges and situations as possible. Eventually, I will put a Diamondhead handguard on it, maybe a JP captured buffer spring, a PRS buttstock, a bipod, and probably some other new parts. The bottom line is, like others mentioned, I started at .308 because I wanted something different and something hefty.