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Seems your politicians are the the same as what we have here in Canada...

It's reasonably accurate in the steps needed to get a firearms licence. A lot of Canadian and I suspect some Americans believe you can just walk in to a gun shop and walk out with no check of any sort. Here in Canada I can walk in buy a non-restricted class firearm by showing my licence but there is no call or on line check done by store( we don't have NICS system up here). Restricted firearms require a transfer of ownership to occur before the transfer of the firearm. Another difference is that a store or person selling a firearm can mail that firearm(all classes) directly to the purchaser and no need to go through a FFL dealer. For my US purchases I work with two FFL dealers that have a warehouse in Canada and from there it's mailed directly to me. The new laws the current government will likely change this but if we can delay it long enough, the government will have to resubmit and re table the legislation.Even media the is generally anti gun is pointing out issues with these new laws and government manipulating the number s to further their anti gun agenda.

Every time someone mentions putting safety strictly in the hands of the government for safety I mention prison.I then ask how safe would you feel in general population?

I've got to believe it will get better.

It's funny up here how if you try and point out states with high firearms/100K on the whole have less crime vs places with tougher gun control measures and lower firearm(DC,Detroit and Chicago come to mind) have the worst crime stats they then go off on another tangent. They also don't like Switzerland being used as an example where the government sends people home with a gun. There is a glimmer of hope here in Canada in our fight,greatly in part to the internet and watching the your fight in the USA. This is particularly interesting as the CBC(Canadian Broadcast Corporation) is generally an anti gun propaganda distributor and also receives large sums of money from the government( but hey who's worried about conflict of interest?) In a nutshell,anti gun government skews stats to push anti gun agenda. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-crime-goodale-canada-1.4585097 Here's the twitter feed announcement on the official liberals site...enjoy the comments https://twitter.com/liberal_party/status/976852328534937600?s=12

It was tabled yesterday.,has to go through the rubber stamp formalities(lieberal party holds a majority) and we don't have the checks and balances that USA has with the Senate and Congress. The government here used the Florida shooting as one of their reasons,like most antis they seem to do a secret happy dance when people die so they can further their agenda. Any time someone from the government uses the words 'common sense' or 'for the greater good' it's a lie

So the federal government has tabled new "common sense" gun control legislation.Been working some strange hours due to shutdowns so still wrapping my head around it. Big one is they've taken two rifle and made them prohibited,current owners grandfathered but only able to sell,trade or transfer to those with a 12(9) on their license.Will be interesting if the number registered will match the number imported into Canada (previously rifle didn't require registration) Transport for restricted officially known as an ATT(authorization to transport) was needed to move restricted/prohibited firearms. I currently have a blanket ATT that allows ranges,gunsmith,the boarder,if I go away for a couple days etc. The new legislation will only allow home to range and back again directly. Will have to phone in for a permit for anything else. While claiming there will be no registration of non restricted firearms,to gift,transfer,sell or even lend a non restricted firearm you'll have to calling to get a sales authorization number thus allowing them to record buyer,seller and firearms information.

No joy,barrel to short(there's a joke in there somewhere) Ironic, a Canadian gun I can''t bring into the USA

I'll have to check, I think the barrel here is measured without the muzzle device so fingers crossed,I'll know for tomorrow

I'm just north of Vancouver,Google maps says 25 hrs to Phoenix Something in the fall would work great. Do a bit of a loop check out a few states for options if I have to leave here. I can bring down some Canadian manufactured guns(the ones I'm waiting on) Not sure I can bring my Colt Canada SAS IUR as it's only got a 15.7 in barrel I think it's got to 16 in to get it across the border.

If they're not worried about shooting just killing ,then garden fertilizer,diesel,and a rental truck. For the really lazy just a rental truck. It's always nice to point out to the anti it's not till the good guy with the gun shows up that the rampage stops regardless of the bad guys choice of tool for murder.

For today's WTF moment in Canadian Firearms Law( so you can see what we are dealing with) The .22 Mossberg Blaze rifle is a non-restricted rifle unless you try and buy the Blaze-47 which is a prohibited firearm in Canada. Same rifle just a different set of furniture but that doesn't stop the pony boys (rcmp) trying to protect kittens and small children from imaginary danger.

from-http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/08/dean-weingarten/new-zealand-silencers-cheap-and-unregulated/ In New Zealand, this economy .22 rimfire gun muffler is selling for about $15. Note the mention at the end of the unregulated status: “There are no age or licence restrictions on silencer sales.” In New Zealand, a 12-year-old boy or girl can make some money doing chores, drop by the local sporting goods store and pick up a gun muffler over the counter for a few dollars. Kiwi's can use ARs for hunting,while here in Canada my ARs are limited to sanction rifle ranges only. There are a number of AR like rifles that are classified as non-restricted so can shoot outside of the range. For some stupidity in Canadian firearms law, the British straight pull AR(basically a bolt action) if owned in Canada would have to be registered as a restricted rifle as the lower is AR upper compatible. Some local manufactures are now realizing there is a market for AR type rifles and are building rifle to fill this demand.The way the regulation is written as long as the lower is not compatible with an AR upper it's not an AR. It doesn't matter that all the other parts are AR compatible(Bolt,trigger,furniture etc)

No offence taken I think Great Britain is a lost cause,Australia is just sad given their so called frontier mentality. Here in Canada there have been some glimmer of hope such as when the RCMP(federal police) tried to ban(re class as prohibited) two rifles(Swiss Arms and the CZ 858) but gun owners rallied and the minister in charge over ruled the attempted re classification. Recently a farmer was charged with murder after some drunk youth drove on to his property,attempted to steal some vehicles etc. he was acquitted. The number of licences continue to increase and both firearms courses and range memberships continue to grow.Some ranges no longer taking names for the wait list. We still have a ways to go and the current government is not friendly to gun owners but to much at stake to give up.

Thanks, much appreciated. Good luck to you guys and your battle.

Not something I'm going to wear in a sub-station...

It's elimination by attrition,eventually all the 12(1-5) will pass away so all those firearms will be destroyed,dewatted or possible a musem will take them. Weird Canadian firearm law- Using the AK-47 as an example, A working AK-47 is prohibited in Canada, a dewatted or inert actual AK-47 is not considered a firearm and legal ,no paperwork needed. Now for the kicker,a non-working replica AK-47 is also classed as a prohibited firearm. Thanks for the invite and it might come to that,for now I need to stay herein Canada and fight this much like you guys are doing down there.

You where sorta lead right. The short barrel length only applies to pump,lever and break action shotguns not semi operated shotguns. There are some rules, it's legal as long as it's overall length is greater than 660mm/30inches and a factory barrel.You can't take your 18 in 870 and cut the barrel down yourself. The shortest available barrel that's legal(to my best knowledge) is 8.5in with a full stock. If you replace the stock with a pistol grip it's legal but must be registered as a restricted firearm.

Where I live it's relatively safe,the biggest crime issue is property theft mostly due to junkies. Overall Canada averages 1,300 firearms death a year 80% are suicide,12% homicide the balance unintentional deaths. Here's a search engine listing the various cities in Canada,how they rank and type of crimes. http://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-places/

Having a prohibited endorsement is commonly call a 12(x) and the below copy/paste shows why.As to passing on a prohibited firearm there are restriction and only some are allowed.(see 12(6) conditions and Exception to Grandfathering below) We don't have a trust system here for the possession of prohibited firearms. The closest thing would be a business licence (museum, manufacture,dealer) but the application would be examined and if the authorities felt otherwise could easily decline it. As a general rule, a PAL will indicate what prohibited firearms the licence holder is licensed to acquire by showing the section of the Firearms Act that grandfathers them, as follows: s.12(2): full automatics s.12(3): converted automatics s.12(4): firearms prohibited by former prohibition order No. 12 s.12(5): firearms prohibited by former prohibition order No. 13 s.12(6): handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less or that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition. On licences issued on or after April 10, 2005, these firearms will be referred to as 12(6.1) firearms. Eligibility to acquire a particular prohibited firearm will be confirmed during the transfer process. Grandfathered status allows the possession and acquisition of prohibited firearms that are already registered in Canada, but not the new importation of prohibited firearms into Canada. Maintaining grandfathered privileges To stay grandfathered for a particular category of prohibited firearm, an individual must have continuously held a registration certificate for a firearm in that category from December 1, 1998, onward. To be able to hold a registration certificate for a firearm, an individual needs a licence allowing them to possess that class of firearm. It is therefore essential that firearms licences be renewed before they expire. All registration certificates issued under the former law (prior to December 1, 1998) expired on December 31, 2002, so it was important to have re-registered the firearm(s) under the Firearms Act before the old certificate expired. Contact the CFP for more information or assistance. Exception to grandfathering If a person is not grandfathered, the only prohibited firearms they may possess or acquire are handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less or that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, and only if all of the following criteria are met: the handgun was made before 1946, and the handgun was registered in Canada on December 1, 1998, and the individual is the child, grandchild, brother, sister or spouse of the lawful owner, and the individual is acquiring it for an approved purpose such as target shooting or as part of a collection. Under these circumstances, the individual can lawfully acquire and possess the handgun in question, but they are not grandfathered or authorized to acquire more prohibited handguns.

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I was asked in another thread(which I failed to read properly/completely) for a basic explanation how gun laws work here in Canada. I'm not a lawyer but I'll do my best. As this is a basic overview,feel free to asked for more clarification or about things I haven't answered. The most obvious thing is in Canada there is nothing resembling the 2nd Amendment. In Canada,firearm law is a federal jurisdiction so in theory it's the same law regardless of which province your in. The reality is some provinces are less friendly imposing extra hurdles or being slow at processing things. There are three classification of firearms licence in Canada. (1) Prohibited-no longer issued but folks that possessed firearms in this class were grandfathered. (2) Restricted- Allows possession of restricted class firearms(see below). To get this requires a 2 day course with a written/practical test. This along with your application is submitted along with two references. It then sits for a minimum of 28 days before being proceeded. Actual time can vary with no rhyme or reason . Restricted firearms are: Any handgun that is not prohibited (note: handguns are prohibited if the barrel length is inferior to 105 millimetres (4.1 in); handguns cannot be non-restricted) Any firearm that is: not prohibited that has a barrel length inferior to 470 millimetres (18.5 in), and is capable of operating in a semi-automatic manner Any firearm that can be fired when the overall length has been reduced by folding, telescoping, or other means to less than 660 millimetres (26 in) Firearms prescribed as restricted by the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted (SOR/98-462) Note: legally, restricted firearms can only be discharged at shooting ranges; so while one can use them in competitions, one cannot use them for hunting (3) Non-Restricted-Allows possession of firearms that are not considered prohibited or restricted ( rifles and shotguns unless restricted by name such as the AR Magazine capacity- Note- there are exceptions to these laws .22 cal pistols-10 rds maximium rifles-no magazine restriction unless by name. Centrefire(manual operation) no magazine limit unless by name. Centrefire(semi) 5 rds, but if a magazine designed for a different firearm and higher capacity functions in a semi auto rifle without altering it's legal to use. ie my AR uses 10 rd LAR -15 magazine legally. Storage- Non-restricted firearms must be unloaded and either: Made inoperable with a secure locking device (such as a trigger lock); or Have bolts or bolt-carriers removed; or Securely locked in a sturdy container, cabinet or room that cannot be easily broken into Except if: (1) in areas where it is legal to fire a gun, non-restricted firearms needed for predator control can temporarily be left unlocked and operable, but they must be kept unloaded and all ammunition must be stored separately, and (2) in wilderness areas, non-restricted firearms can be left unlocked and/or operable, but must be left unloaded (ammunition may be kept nearby). Restricted firearms must be unloaded and either: Made inoperable with a secure locking device (such as a trigger lock) and securely locked in a sturdy container, cabinet or room that cannot be easily broken into; or Locked in a vault, safe or room that was built or adapted for storing these types of firearms For automatic firearms, the bolt(s) or bolt-carrier(s) must be removed, if removable, and stored in a separate locked room that cannot be easily broken into Purchasing- Restricted requires a restricted licence(RPAL),upon purchases the seller must initiate a transfer of ownership before the firearm can be handed over. The time it take varies from province to province. If I purchase the seller can mail directly to me so FFL to deal with. Non-restricted requires a PAL(Possession Acquisition Licence) and all that's required is the seller see the PAL and can hand over the firearm ,no registration needed. TLDR- Canadian firearms law sucks. If your wondering about a specific firearm or how it compares to specific American law please ask

We suffer the same issues from the antis up here but without the benefit of the 2nd Amendment.

It's funny that when the antis use the word compromise it always seems to end resulting in gun owners giving something up but they never seem to give up anything in return. The cake and compromise analogy illustrates this nicely https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/11/08/cake-and-compromise-illustrated-guide-to-gun-control/

The laws here are poorly written as one expects when laws written by those with no knowledge of the topic.This has also left a few tiny cracks which manufacturers up here are using(hence my purchase of the above items. Wiki -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada Random highlights- Firearms here are a federal jurisdiction 3 classes a)non restricted-mostly rifles&shotgun,no registration,walk in show card pay money walk out with gun b)restricted-all handguns and firearms listed by name,registration required,only used at a accredited range. c) full auto,firearms listed by name and parts listed by name no longer issued except for highly restricted inheritance condition So an FN-FAL is prohibited by name,an AR is restricted by name(but no SBR rules) and a XCR is non restricted. Yea doesn't make sense to me either. Bulpup stock/conversion is prohibited but a factory bulpup is fine. Mare's Leg in Canada is considered a non-restricted rifle,a 12ga pump with a 8.5inch barrel is non restricted(as long as it's a factory barrel not a hacksaw job). Replica firearms are prohibited but the actual original firearm rendered properly inert. .32ACP handguns are prohibited by caliber(common caliber for cheap pistols criminals used ) yet the .32 CZ Skorpion (semi auto) is classed as a carbine and legal. We can mail firearms/ammo directly to purchaser/friend(no FFL type requirements) That being said I have a FFL dealer that allows me to buy in the USA and export to Canada We did make some progress with the previous Conservative government but the new libtard government is setting up to screw us over and making points with the un is just icing on the cake for them. Up here we share many of the same issues when it comes to a biased media If there is some thing more specific just ask. Ironically if I moved to the USA,I'd have to leave about a third behind,wore if I move to California.