billymagg

Okay, I ordered an H and an H2 heavy buffer from Brownell's, says they won't be here till next week, that stinks...

I bought Wilson's 40 flat coil recoil spring which they were recommending to go with the 6.8 SPC, 300 Black, 300 HAM'R, while it fires and ejected most of the time, it would NOT lock back on an empty magazine or pick up the 2nd round... So I popped Wilson's standard spring back in, now it will lock back on an empty mag, but still will not pick up the 2nd round. Shooter suggested the bolt is moving much to fast, and that a heavy buffer will slow it down enough to all it to pick up the second round... a hypothesis that may be born out by the fact that twice, the bolt has over traveled the stop and locked on top of the empty magazine?? once when I removed the mag, away she goes into battery! the second time I dropped the mag, it just hung there?? what the hell?? So, I'm going to order a couple of buffers, at least a heavy carbine buffer, and an H2 likely... I was going to try it with the heavy 2.5 inch, 3.8 oz buffer out of the 308 AR, but as Shooter suggested it could over travel and allow the BCG to slam in to the back of the receiver, I don't want to beat up my receiver, so I'll try to get a couple of buffer's ordered ASAP.. How's Midway on ship times??

Oh damn, this is like the circus, lol!

That's what I was thinking, thanks Shooter, Jason told me it wouldn't hurt to shoot the short buffer in the 300, it is 3.8 ozs, but he thought it was to heavy, guess we'll find out tomorrow...

Jason at Wilson Combat says the standard 3.250" carbine buffer weighs 3 oz, the short 2.5 buffer in the big Wilson weighs 3.8 oz. Jason is running the standard spring and buffer in his 300 HAM'R, obviously that's not working for me, but Jason suggested I try the Lancer Magazines he is running, stating that they are much more rigid than PMAG's. I have no doubt about that, and told Jason I was gonna try the 3.8 oz heavy buffer out of the 308 Ar.. he said go ahead, but he imagined it would be to heavy.. So tommorow, I'm going to try the heavy short buffer, with those 300 Blk Pmag's, as well as my ASC's and Colt, wish me luck! I will add that all my empties were in a line at 3:OO o'clock from 5 to 7 ft out. Wilson does not sell any buffers separately, he suggested Brownell's or Midway.

Wilson has apparently discontinued the 40 Coil flat buffer spring, and now has a 37 Coil buffer spring for the Ar-15 and another part number for the AR-10...

Wilson calls it a standard carbine buffer. I definitely want to avoid drilling that gas port if possible, cause I'm pretty sure I would be buying another adjustable gas block.

Smooches right back at cha Baby! The standard buffer is 3.250" inches long, another range session this morning with 300 Black mags, still no soap, and does NOT want to cycle them by hand as well, nor would it pick up the second round. I popped the shorter and heavier buffer out of the 308, I'm gonna try that one out next with the standard spring If that works I will order the H2 and possibly the H3 and send whichever one back that doesn't work. That damn trigger is still at the Fox Lake distribution center since the 24th, so stuff is shipping slow. I don't have a scale to weigh either of my current buffers, the gas port is 3/32" or .094, so that really should do it? I'm running the 125gr Hornady FMJ... I thought about trying Miss Wilson with that lighter buffer, she kind of dribbles them out, but I do have an adjustable gas block on her, so I could open it up a notch?? I'm also gonna try a couple of those 110gr Hornady soft points, see if that helps. Will that longer buffer, 3.250 inches cause a problem in the big AR?? That buffer I was running is the buffer that comes in Wilson's kit with the buffer tube and spring included, I ordered the 40 coil flat spring because Wilson recommends that in their 6.5Grendel and 6.8 SPC build...

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Send my couple of bottles of that 98, you were salesman of the month there last month weren't you??? Next time I roll out a new old Camaro, I'll try these on the "Honey Badger" first!

Yep, 98 admitted he missed his "Lavender Bath", I'm not the only one that misses those great ahh, er , posts, yeah, that's right, I miss your posts! and you can put those anywhere you like, LOL, I'm Always happy to see more of that!

Sounds good Shooter, I'll see what I can find..

Yep, the one I wanted was GONE! dang it!

Have a suggestion Shooter?? I'm listening, and thanks very much for your reply, it may very well be too fast with the regular Wilson spring?? It would not lock on an empty mag at all with the 40 coil flat wire Wilson spring...

That's very helpful Matt, I may end up here as well, bought some bits tonight.

That 40 coil Wilson spring was 17 1/8" longs, it is stiff. I did not measure the length of the standard spring, and the buffer tube should be 7" deep, standard carbine recoil kit from Wilson. With the standard Wilson spring it's trying to run now, locking back, but I'm fairly certain the bolt travel is short stroking, so not picking up the 2nd round off the top of the magazine. All the operating system is Wilson Combat, I was hoping to eliminate any tolerance stacking...

So first range trip yesterday, 18" Wilson Combat Hunter profile 300 HAM'R barrel with 3/32" or 7/64" gas port, Wilson low profile gas block, Wilson intermediate gas tube right in the middle of the cam pin cut out. Wilson standard NIB bolt carrier, Wilson standard carbine buffer kit.. I did put the 40 coil flat spring in it per Wilson's recommendation for 6.8 SPC and 300 Black. Good news is nothing blew up when I pulled the trigger, lol, shooting single rounds, not a single round locked the bolt back on the empty mag. Standard 5.56 mags, ASC aluminum 5 round, ASC steel 5 round, Magpull 20 round, and Colt aluminum 20 round. I did have 1 FTE with the old Colt mag, about 1/2 in, half out, came right out when I pulled the charging handle... case mouth was all mangled, rest are very sweet and round. Went home and changed the buffer spring back to Wilson's standard carbine buffer spring that came in the kit, now it ejects around 3:00 o'clock, locking back all the rounds, but when I attempt to put 3 rounds in the magazine, it is not picking up the 2nd round. The bolt did over ride the 2nd round once, and dented the side of the case.. not once did it pick up the second round. I'm going to try switching out the buffer springs from 2 other rifles, and may try to get a lighter recoil spring, I don't want to pull that stinking hand guard off again, but I was thinking when I installed the gas block that was a smallish looking gas port... I don't want to have to go down that route, and I don't have a drill press, so I'm hoping I can find a slightly lighter recoil spring.. oh yes, I'm running it sopping wet like everything else I run... Wilson's 125gr FMJ, I do have some 110 SP that I will try next range trip.

We had the daisy "spitten image" model 94's, couldn't hit crap, but they sure were snazzy looking... I broke my poor little brother's buttstock off when we lived in Tennessee. We had an old sow get out, and of course I was heavily "Westernized", I grabbed it by the barrel and swung the butt to wack her to get her back in, cleaned that buttstock off that poor little rifle at the rear receiver, he was so mad at me!

First trip to the range this morning, had Wilson's 40 coil buffer spring in, it ejects, well, I had 1 FTE, and is laying them all back around 4:00 o'clock... thinking to much azz for my gazz, I'm gonna put the stock Wilson spring in it, I'm sure that will help.. Not a single round locked the bolt back, shooting a single round in the magazine sighting in. I've been shooting the 125 gr Hornady Full Metal Jacket load to start, I'm around 50 yds, and this dang thing wants to shoot! Again to remind everyone, this is the 300 HAM'R by Wilson Combat, not the 300 Blackout... I'll be doing my homework in the 300 Black forum.

Yes sir! it was the base plate of the drop in trigger shooter. That dang thing is 1/4" +, maybe +++... I popped the grip down until the pin cleared the safety, installed the trigger, and then that plate was so high the safety wouldn't go over it, so I popped the rear pin out and re-installed the safety, then lifted the back of the trigger up, and re-installed the rear pin, just a pain in the butt, but it seems to function fine, possibly a little stiffer, so we shall see...

I'm listening, I'm listening, wow, that is amazing isn't it?? show's you were the wholesale really is, doesn't it! but its a beautiful scope, and it does indeed, "check all the boxes"!

Yep, it checks all the boxes doesn't it? Building the "Dirty 30" has been a pricey little affair, and I've got a bunch of crap to send back, some because it just didn't work, and some because something else worked better, and I had to buy some AMMO, which is NOT cheap, but 1/2 of what they offer is still available, though that changes daily... I had a box of fancy 223 target ammo in my hand, the last box in the store, 25 bucks, I walked around the store with it for 1/2 hour, maybe longer, and in the end, I put that, the CMMG milspec trigger, and two Magpul 30 rd 300 Black magazines back and bought that Rise Armament drop in trigger with no walk pins... almost 200 bucks with tax, a pain in the axe to put in, but very crisp, I'm not sure its 3.5lbs, feels more like 5.5 lbs, and thats fine for punching paper and coyotes at the farm. So I am gonna put the Athlon at the top of my list, and I believe you are right, it is probably the best bang for the buck you will find, in stock now at Optics Planet for $799, that is a steal, but at the moment, I don't have enough green to steal it, dam gummit!

Found it, thanks 98, now I'm going to ask a ridiculous question, is there a US or Japan, made 3.5 X 10 X 50 or something similar, with side focus and lighted reticle, or I'd love to have elevation adjustment, but that short little fat feller ain't gonna fly to far, now is it, lol...

We always love a happy customer! I may at some point build a 6.5 Creed upper for my .308, I'm so damned OCD, that I will have to build another lower when they come back in stock... you've done your home work on buffers, I read 98's little dissertation, then I read it again... I built my 300 HAM'R with Wilson's 40 coil flat buffer spring, so we will see... wish me luck, or better yet, say a prayer!

my Wilson Combat trigger is still at the Fox Lake distribution center for UPS, hasn't moved since Optics Planet shipped it... I went to the local Scheel's, only an hour and a half one way! I found some CMMG gubment triggers, and then snooping around I found a Rise single stage 3.5 lb strait trigger in the high dollar case, I'm gonna try that. It was a pain the azz to install, I tried to slip it under the safety, no dice. So I backed my pistol grip off, pulled it off far enough to get the safety plunger down far enough to get the safety out, put the Rise in, lined up the pins, and put the little Allen bolts in each end, snugged it all down and guess what?? The safety won't go back in, so I pulled the rear pin out, and pushed the base block down far enough that the safety would go over it, reinstalled the safety, pulled the drop in trigger back up, re-installed the rear pin. All good, but a real pain. I then popped my Rock River mount off the 5.56 with the Redfield Battlezone, and installed it on the Wilson. It's all good, time for the HAM'R! So, I'll see what I think about the rise, the straight trigger is a little funky, nice clean, crisp release, so I'm not sure which trigger I'm keeping, but one thing is for damn sure, I'm sending every thing I don't use back!!! I see how much this cost, and I see how much all you guys spend trying to use your "spare parts". Anyway, Aero has a nice mount in "dirty dirt" and Giselle has an amazing looking "dirty dirt" mount for 3 1/2 times the price of the nice litte Aero. The only thing going against the Aero is that it has interlocking rings on top, I'd prolly rather just have a top half, and screw it on!