98Z5V Posted August 5 Author Report Share Posted August 5 ^^^ Good point. Explains the stone-walling and bullshiit coming out of them, as public statements on all this mess. It's a house of mirrors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 20 hours ago, Cunuckgaucho said: Probably one of the best know examples of this was the Ford Pinto. Of course with no internet it took a while for non industry types and the media to see a pattern. Once Ford saw the problem there was a look at cost to fix vs coast to deal with court cases/payouts... guess which one they chose? The other thing driving their decision was Ford promised to deliver a car that was under 2000lbs and inder $2000. Sig Sauer( Swiss company,German company and US company) are all seperate entities owned by the same holding company. While they do work closely together for legal,tax and other reasons they are on paper three seperate companies. People are placed by L&O Holdings for the sole purpose of making money for the partners and share holders. The brand only has value to the holding company based on sales. If the Sig Sauer brand fails the holding company will buy another name, use that and simply transfer all the plants,tooling etc to the new name. Back in 2019 executives where given suspended sentances and the company paid huge fines( not the executives) for illegally selling pistols to the Columbian government. Basically the pistols were produced by the German group which couldn't get and end user certificate for the sale to Columbia. So the pistols were sent to the US group that then forward them to Columbia. They only got caught 'cause someone blew the whiste on them. Holding companies like this are the corparate equivelent of clearcutting a forest with no concern to replanting. Which is why they will never admit fault on their part. For them it's better to let it burn to the ground and have another part of the holding company buy the assests for pennies on the dollar. You hate 2 see it , but I can see this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 7 Author Report Share Posted August 7 SIG turning? Doubt it. More smoke and mirrors, and bullshiit out of whatever-company of them is making this statement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted August 7 Report Share Posted August 7 I'm glad that guy has my back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted Saturday at 11:56 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 11:56 AM (edited) This doesn't change the fact that Sig appears to be actively covering up known P320 defects. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2025/08/08/air-force-makes-arrest-in-airmans-shooting-death-involving-m18-pistol/ In a Friday statement, a Department of the Air Force spokesperson said that the unidentified arrested person is accused of making a false official statement, obstruction of justice and involuntary manslaughter. Edited Saturday at 11:59 AM by Armed Eye Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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