98Z5V Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 I have shot both those pistols alongside ATF agents. Same range, a few lanes over. Rolled up in there with my typical table-full of stuff. They liked them. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 I don't think base BATFE agents are the ones I worry about , its the Political ones that make asinine decisions . I have over the years ( not in the last ten ) have had very good relations with them & all helped with any questions I needed answered . I was a , how can I say , Victim , of one of there scams to entrap me as a Class three dealer , back in , oh , 1980's . I was sent a select fire rifle from a Texas Dealer/manufacturer & in the box with it was a Sten gun , full auto , with the paper work for another dealer ( Tom's Gun Shop ) no kidding Tom . My buddy was there & said hay , lets shoot that sucker ! I said no way , I called the Manufacturer/Dealer & they said , oh sorry , we were wondering what happened to that order. I said tell the ATF its being mailed back with a signature for receipt , that day & I want the shipping for it . The dealer said they were sorry & to let them know what the shipping cost was , but I never requested it . Well low & behold , the next month, a Dealer in Cleveland , Ohio ( I was in the same area ) was arrested for receiving an un-regestered Title II weapon, guess what it was , yes , a Sten Gun . The Plain Dealer , told how the ATF was performing a Sting through out the Country . You have to understand , there was no Internet back then. It was slow to hit any Publications , I think it was mentioned in the Shot Gun News , which back then , if you were a dealer , it was THE catalog to get monthly . I know , you have to be a real dumb a$$ to keep anything like that or even think you would get away with it , but WTF , like as , at the time , you didn't have enough problems with Title II weapon sales . I went to a Seminar in Cleveland , put on by the ATF ( its what we called it back then ) for all FFL dealers , well they had no answers to any Class III FFL's , none . I was one of three that were the only Class III dealers there & all three of us were in the front row. Now you would think they would know there would be Class III dealers there . So , you can see , nothing has changed . Its almost like , your on your own & if you screw up , its not our problem you didn't know . Yes all this happened a long time ago , but I see no change today . If your an BATFE agent , I wouldn't take it personal , its who you work for . Hell, maybe the power people above may want it, that you are in the dark as far as laws & there interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I am not an ATF Agent, thank goodness <laughs> . I do not take it personally. I understand and respect your past experience with them. I also understand that we are coming from two different places on this issue as well as the fact..... based on the time-frame described above....ahem..you may be slightly older than me. It's all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 <lmao> <lmao> I seem to older then everyone , now a days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Hell I'm even a kid compared to ya brother BWWAAAAHAHAHA. :hethan: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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