EasyEJL Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Has anyone shot these? cheap as dirt for target shooting. just not sure about barrel fouling and whether it would manage to cycle the slide. I do have an adjustable gas block so that might help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 The way I understand it, they are equivalent to about a 10gr to 30gr bullet (lighter than a .22lr). They fly at about 4,500fps. I think they were designed for a 25-50 yrd range (indoors?) due to the extremely lightweight projectile. The Germans used these for training only as the cost is over 10:1 vs standard ammo. I hear they are very clean to shoot. Edit: Here is more info on it. http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=8699&dir=18|830|848 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyEJL Posted March 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 damn, its not that cheap anywhere that still stocks it, but $189 for 1000 shipped is still pretty damn good. even if I do have to cycle the slide manually. I figure that would let me be pretty unconcerned with range ammo costs. That's one of the things that bothered me some after starting down the road of building the 308, a fun day at the range could cost me $200 in ammo for that alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Guy at the range gave me a few to checkout.Won't cycle action,still a live round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 It looks like the Krauts have a special gas/bolt system for their HK's to fire this properly. A lighter spring and bolt assembly are used. I'd be interested in trying this out. Get a light spring, make a super light buffer... The expensive part would be the carrier. Maybe a JP LMOS would help?? I hate the idea of "swiss cheesing" a perfectly good carrier. It could work? Especially on those carbine gas systems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 I wonder if this is the German version of the CQT ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasprite Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 I know my DPMS was over gassed before I put an adjustable gas block on it, darn ripped off the case heads wounder if opening the gas block up all the way would be enough or in combination with a lighter recoil spring. I mean since it was over gassed originally it might be just enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Do you have a photo of one of the cases after it has been fired? I am going to email an NA classmate (Europe) to see how and why they use this ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Armory Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Check out the thread from about a year ago , its on the second page of this section. It discusses this topic. Yes ... I have it. Yes ... I shot it. No ... It will not cycle in an AR. I have a empty shell but dont have the ability to take a photo and post with my new phone yet.(Waiting for the Short Bus to pick me up so I can figure out this phone.) Rob ... I will give you a box of 50 to shoot the next time you come to see us ! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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