shepp Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Vietnam they spit on them and called them baby killers, now days they just label them psycotic terrorists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I have not read or heard of ANY felony assualts or firearm violations attributed to Veterans as a group.From anywhere in the state of Indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I have not read or heard of ANY felony assualts or firearm violations attributed to Veterans as a group.From anywhere in the state of Indiana. This study about veterans and crime gets cited a lot. http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2012-26670-001 Basically, it shows that vets with PTSD are more likely to be arrested than those without PTSD. All fine and good so far as it goes. The problem is that civilians also get PTSD, and this study does not show that veterans are more likely than civilians to be arrested. I think we're looking at an urban myth created by libtards. The fundamental notion is that a close association with firearms makes people prone to shooting a lot, and especially shooting at people. It's a way of ignoring the real problem: that a certain group of males aged 18 to 40 make up around 4 percent of the US population but commit nearly half of all violent crime, regardless of military service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 What i do read and hear about is the sad rate of suicide among our military brother's and sister's. :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 What i do read and hear about is the sad rate of suicide among our military brother's and sister's. :'( Exactly and they just sweep it under the rug with anything else worth actually using tax money for. Disgusting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 It turns out, the US can divert military surplus, such as vehicles, to other countries as well... US surplus equipment cuts costs for IDF - YNet News (Israel) - 05.18.14http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4521008,00.html "Technological and Logistics Directorate's refurbishment factory helps military save during budget crisis by renovating US-made M-16s, Humvees." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 It's official. The claim that returning US vets are criminal geniuses has gone viral. Just about nobody has a bigger circulation that the UK Daily Mail. Maybe the Huffington Post is bigger, but that just means -- since they're rabid leftards -- that they're probably next on the 'Violent Vets' story. Read on: We need mine-resistant tanks because military vets back from Afghanistan have created a new kind of criminal, claim Georgia police - Daily Mail (UK) - May 19, 2014http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2633150/American-police-forces-benefit-millions-dollars-military-weapons-proof-vehicles-armed-forces-leave-Iraq-Afghanistan.htmlAs American military forces return from Iraq and Afghanistan, one Indiana police station is benefiting from a mine-resistant vehicles once used to tour the war zone to combat a new breed of criminal with military training. 'When I first started we really didn’t have the violence that we see today,' Sgt. Dan Downing of the Morgan County Sheriff’s Department told Fox 59. 'The weaponry is totally different now that it was in the beginning of my career, plus, you have a lot of people who are coming out of the military that have the ability and knowledge to build IEDs and to defeat law enforcement techniques.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmist Posted May 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 I don't know your experience or which teams you served, You wouldn't drop your body armor to run up a flight of stairs to a violent confrontation in an effort maximize your speed or surprise...or at least I hope not. Man, you said a mouthful there. My body armor doesn't weigh 18 tons, and doesn't announce itself from 5 blocks away. Play cool. This ain't time for plowin skulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Concepts the same. Whether or not you agree with the mode, armor serves the same purpose. Be it individual or crew..... matters not. MRAPs are certainly not as loud as they have been characterized. Edited May 21, 2014 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 The ancestor of the MRAP was the Greek phalanx. They didn't care if they were seen. They figured that distance weapons would be pointless against them, and forged ahead. And, in the modern field of battle, stealth means speed. Speed is established by the latest generation of radar, missiles, and tracking. Ground-based armor simply can't move fast enough for stealth. In the civilian environment, it can't move faster than cell phones, or, heck, faster than the press. All you can hope for is that the armor is tough enough for the job, and stick your nose in. In short, not much has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well stated, sir. It has its purpose...and its purpose ain't to be sneaky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Good thing I got a vet next door to help me build IED's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Here's a valid military/criminal connection that's not getting much attention: gang members in the service. But the question still is: is criminal veterans a real issue, or just invented by people who want MRAPS? Soldier Living Double Life As Gang Member - News Channel 3 - May 15, 2014http://wreg.com/2014/04/27/wreg-finds-soldier-living-double-life-as-gang-member/ “Think of things in the war time of the things many people in the military are doing. They have rifles up and they and several of their colleagues are kicking down doors and telling people to get down or ordering them around in another way. Reminiscent of a bank robbery, right. It is also reminiscent of a home invasion,” said Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Street Gangs and National Level Gangs within the military are nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Street Gangs and National Level Gangs within the military are nothing new. For sure, evil resides everywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Street Gangs and National Level Gangs within the military are nothing new. Very, very, very true. Bloods and Crips spread up the west coast from California. Some were "enlisted" into the military to gain training. Training that they could take back to the hood once let out of the Army. Many, many of them were at Fort Ord, in 7th Infantry Division (Light). When 7th ID made the move to Fort Lewis, Washington, guess who it took with them? Gangbangers. Only one Regiment moved, and the order was given in inactivate the Division. But that one Regiment was plenty. This was going in in 1989 through 1993 at Fort Ord, and 1993-on at Fort Lewis. I could tell story after story of gang confrontation about those two places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Melbourne police lose assault rifle - WTXL TV - June 5, 2014http://www.wtxl.com/ap/national/melbourne-police-lose-assault-rifle/article_fab53ccc-0b88-5366-88e2-456194330e2e.html excerpt:The Melbourne Police Department can't find an assault rifle given to it through a federal government program, meaning it won't receive an armored assault vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 No soup for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required-KJV Don't lose free gear if you want more free gear-ST Edited June 6, 2014 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required-KJV Don't lose free gear if you want more free gear-ST For he that has, to him shall be given: and he that has not, from him shall be taken even that which he has. http://biblehub.com/mark/4-25.htm That means, 'If you lose track of your ammo, we're coming for your guns.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I guess that ended logical discourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I guess that ended logical discourse. I've never seen a requirement that government acquisition policy has to make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I don't think he was referring to government acquisition. <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I don't think he was referring to government acquisition. <dontknow> <lmao> <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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