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<lmao> I went to the range yesterday it was a nice 100* so I came home lactating too but I don't have roll around in the mud here's a pic of Lake City range when I had my Marlin 70 out with the kids a while back.

The 39.5 looks pretty good on the es & sd numbers you decide on your charge yet?

That must be nice the other week when I went to the range one of RSO's was out testing some of his hand loads before the range opened. I guess you gotta love those perks that come with the job. <thumbsup>

Very nice NoFail <thumbsup> I have to ask though what happen to your sizing die?

Man that sounds like a really nice rig(pics) how does it shoot? I know mine is capable of better than what I've posted here but the nut behind the trigger can't seem to stay tight ::) I guess I'll just have to keep going to the range till I get that nut fixed ;) I'm glad you got a chrony and sounds like a nice one at that. Now we can compare numbers even though some of components are going to be different(i.e. brass and primers) it be nice to see if the data going to be close to what I'm getting. I'm wanting to go to the range with the chronograph this weekend for my seating depth test but its suppose to be 102* Sat. so I'm undecided right now. Survivalshop, I think I saw on the news that Debbie finally left you so were you able to get out?

Cool <thumbsup> I can't wait to see what kind of results you get. It be interesting to see if your accuracy noad will be the same as mine on the powder charge. I haven't started sorting by case weight yet that going to be my next step after testing seating depth again. I'm try to do all my development with once fired cases right now for consistency which means sometimes I have to go and shoot some of the PPU factory ammo so I can some cases to load bought a case of this stuff for $300.00 back at a gun show awhile back just for plinking and to use the brass for reloading. I've got my next set of test rounds loaded for the seating depth test now I just have to get to the range. My loads are 2.815"-2.785" reduced by .005" for each set of 5 rounds. So NoFail what type of rifle and barrel length are you running? " Its been raining since Friday & I'm on vacation & can't even shoot . Damn you Debbie !" Sorry to here that survivalshop hope you get some good weather soon. Our a/c took a dump on us and there calling for 100*+ in the next couple of days can't wait for the repair guy to get here the only plus is right now the humidity is low so its been tolerable but that won't last long.

It was a nice day today at the range the weather man said 97* HA! it was 75* when I got there and 80* when I left. My brass is good to go now since my sizing die is properly adjusted now no problems with ejecting a live round now just a quick pull on the charging handle and it comes right out. My OCW stayed the same to so now going to the seating depth test again and rechrony these loads and see were I,m at. see ya later

Don't know anything about wc846 do you plan on choreographing it? I'm curious to what kind of numbers your getting out of your 20" barrel vs. the CFE 223 out of my 16".

Plan on going to the range Sat. but it doesn't open till noon and the weather man is telling me its supposed to be a nice 97* with the humidity to go with it. Love when sweat runs down and into your eyes when your about to squeeze a shot off, then when your shooting glasses fog up from sweat because they get pushed to close to your face thats just a plus right there. ::)

<lmao> <thumbsup> I'll have agree with you there.

This is what I did or thought I did <dontknow> I just followed the setup instructions that came with the die set. I guess I just didn't go far enough now I need to get back to the range for more testing. I kinda like telling the wife its important that I get this done ;D

Nice <thumbsup> What powder you running?

Here in MO we get the 90*+ temp. with 90% humidity makes for a nice thick day. Don't know if I would like AZ heat either since your temps get higher.

To be honest I'm not sure yet since I'm still in development and changing one thing at time to see what the difference is. After I get done I could test it by keeping some rounds in a cooler with a couple of Ice packs if the weather is warm still when I'm done.

Lee dies with the Lee classic turret press. I'm currently using it in single stage mode by removing the indexing rod.

That was with 47.9gr of powder but I had an issue of not bumping my shoulder back far enough so I'm going to rework the load because this had to change case capacity when I set it back farther. When I get it developed I'll chronograph the load and post them in my OCW thread.

I think I need some pics. I took a case that was sized with the old settings on the die and took this pic so you can understand what I,m talking about. The case on the left is just smoked so you can see the before. The case in the middle was sized with the old setting you can see there is no carbon left on the shoulder because I had no head space from not setting the shoulder back far enough and wouldn't be able to unload the gun because the cartridge would be stuck in the chamber. The case on the right was sized with my new settings as you can see the only contact is where the shoulder and case body meet and haven't had any trouble removing a live round from the chamber with this setting but I've only tried 3 so far.

Yes I'm trimming to 2.005 plus chamfering and deburring. I almost took some pics of smoked cases to show the progression of the carbon transfer from full shoulder contact to none I wish I would of now so you could see the difference. Its kind of a pain doing it this way because I kept cleaning the chamber after every test to keep the chamber shoulder from building up carbon giving me a false reading. I made up 3 test rounds today and went to range hand cycled all 3 by hand with no problems extracting the chambered rounds then shot all 3 with no pressure signs. Since I had to do this I'm think I'm going to start my load development over since this was a major change all part of learning I guess I'll get there though just may take while :tweed:

Might try CFE 223 I'm getting around 2650fps with 168gr A-max in my 16" barrel I'm still in load development right now but the accuracy looks promising at this point.

Thanks survivalshop, I think the main thing thats loose is the nut behind the trigger still trying to get used to driving this thing, some days I have a good steady hold other days it looks like an earthquake through the scope. I know the more I shoot it and keep my fundamentals in my mental checklist I should get better. I decided to do review of my loading procedures and setup since this is the first rifle cartridge I've loaded for and found a problem. I chambered one of my reloads and darn near had to mortar it to get it out so I figured I'm not setting the shoulder back far enough. I check extraction back when I started this adventure with a dummy round and had no problems then maybe I had some oil in the chamber that aided in the easy extraction. Well I don't have case gage yet been meaning to get one so I did the next best thing I smoked the shoulder on a piece of brass and chambered it and confirmed solid contact. So I readjusted my sizing die to bump the shoulder back a little more using the smoke and easy extraction to let me know when I have set the shoulder back far enough. I guess I get to review my load now that I set the shoulder back some.

Interesting I have some mixed cases not enough of any particular brand to make a decent load but would like to develop a plinking load with them as long as I could stay within a 1.5" to 2" grouping to hit reactive targets or what ever else I can think of. If you guy's come up with something I'll be watching. <munch> You know this is something I haven't done on my OCW thread I've heard of it, knew about it but just forgot to add it to my routine. I already made up my next set of test rounds so I next time I'll weigh some cases and see if that gets me to that .5" mark.

I have the 2 factory mags plus 1 pmag the factory mags I can go as long as 2.840" but not sure how they would feed. The pmags I can go as far as 2.820".

Well I just tried seating some CCI 200 primers and there is a difference in the pressure it took to seat them so this should cure my loose primer problem I guess I'll save the Winchesters for some mixed cases I have when I make a plinking load. <thumbsup>

Just an update I can confirm that the PPU ammo is temp. sensitive I'm doing load work up for a 168gr bullet and use the PPU ammo for fouling shots. I had my chronograph with me at the range yesterday and ran 5 shots of the 175gr match across it and this is the results. temp: 85* PPU 175gr match 1. 2434 es. 44 2. 2433 sd. 19 3. 2400 4. 2444 5. no read On a plus note the groups seem to tightening up with the temp. increase.

Made it to the range yesterday the only problem was I did this after playing tennis with the wife and walked around the park a couple of times so my heart rate was up a little and I couldn't hold the rifle still at all yesterday so my groups aren't that great. I keep thinking that this rifle has .5" moa capability but the nut behind the trigger can't seem to hold it together. I did manage to get some crony numbers so here they are. 168gr Amax 47.9 cfe 223 ppu once fired brass Winchester primer Col 2.817 1. 2616 avg. 2627 2. 2636 es. 34 3. 2625 sd. 14 4. 2614 5. 2648 Col. 2.810 1. 2677 avg. 2660 2. 2686 es. 68 3. 2618 sd. 36 4. no read 5. no read Col. 2.800 1. 2596 avg. 2612 2. 2607 es. 27 3. 2620 sd. 11 4. 2623 5. 2618 Col. 2.790 1. 2661 avg. 2642 2. 2638 es. 41 3. 2620 sd. 15 4. 2650 5. 2644 I'm thinking of going with a Col. of 2.790" for my loads it seems to perform the most consistent out of the other but I'm still on the fence with the 2.817" it seems to perform well to, just wish I could get act together for this load :cookoo: I did have a primer come out on me yesterday and also on my previous test to that I didn't mention last time. These WLR primers seat to easy(I can seat some with my fingers only) so I knew I might run into problems with them and I'm not showing any pressure signs. I'm thinking of going with a tray of CCI primers to see if my es. and sd. numbers drop plus I'm thinking of playing the crimp a little bit right now my crimp is very light just the Lee setup instructions that came in the box. So what do you guy's think I should work on next to get this load in tune?