Went the extra mile and bought some danner gritstone boots for the last ditch on danner boots.. if i can fook these up than danner can suck it! 220$ better be the real deal... so far i oiled them up at 75 deg* now on to the breakin.. screws in the ankle are free from rub as these are an 8'' cut, but im tripping over the heal thats atleast 1'' tall.. we will see .. they are sexy for limozines for the feet!