DustinIL Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Got a possible trade in the works for my ACR for a POF .308.He's offering his 20" POF .308 with about 220rds through it for my ACR plus cash. He's asking $500 cash, but I'll offer $400 making it $2000 total, which he offered for trade sake and would be his original trade price minus all the stuff he had with the rifle (scope, sling, foregrip/light). I'm not crazy about the 20" barrel (max I would want is 18"), but should I perhaps get over it cuz it's a good deal? He didn't give me a time frame to decide so I'll ask for a couple/few days (or weekend) to think abut it.Your thoughts on the value of the trade? Yes, I know either rifle isn't "cheap" but I'd like honest opinions on the value of the deal itself. Thanks all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 20" is what's on the Freedom Machine and I like it. POF doesn't list anything between 16.5" and 20", so I would go with the longer barrel.IMO 20" is about ideal.Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired JM Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Up front, I'm not a fan of the ACR. I've had some trigger time with a friend's and wasn't that impressed with it. I own a POF 5.56 rig and have been more than happy with it. I'd say go for it.That said, realize you're going from a carbine to a precision/semi-precison rifle. Does it fit in with your shooting regimen and do you have a range or area where you can take advantage of the capabilities of the POF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired JM Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Up front, I'm not a fan of the ACR. I've had some trigger time with a friend's and wasn't that impressed with it. I own a POF 5.56 rig and have been more than happy with it. Besides, rumors have it that BM is going to introduce a v2.0 ACR at SHOT this year. I'd say go for it.That said, realize you're going from a carbine to a precision/semi-precison rifle. Does it fit in with your shooting regimen and do you have a range or area where you can take advantage of the capabilities of the POF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgun Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Don't know if my input is of any value here as I've never shot the ACR, only handled them. That being asid, I think (as mentioned above) the question is more of what your needs/ desires are for the gun, The ACR and POF are not redally comparable, in cal or configuration. If your thinking of selling/trading the ACR in the first place, maybe it didn't meet your expectations? The POF is a full size piston operated battle rifle. Maybe you should give some thought to the POF individually, would a .308 gun fill a need? do you prefer a DI gun to a piston? I find the POF guns to be high quality, well made guns, although somewhat heavier than other similar sized .308 AR's. Good luck with it and let us know what you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 i agree with jgun. does the pof fill a need or want? it'll be a semi precision rifle where the acr is a carbine. i have no experience with either but they are apples to pears as to what they are individually. good luck, let us know what you decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 The age old dilemma of trading a sports car for a luxury vehicle. Trying to compare features is near impossible. I agree with others when they ask, "is a POF what you really want?"If so, I think your trade is fair. The ACR is nice, and the POF is considered one of the top. Make sure that POF has all the options you're looking for, or that those options will be available to you in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Well , I like POF stuff & know nothing about the ACR , so I'm biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustinIL Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Yes, the POF would fill a want/need: I sold my only .308 (ptr-91) a few months ago and I'm looking for a replacement, plus it's handier than my M-1 Garand. POF is on my list of possible replacements, as is CMMG, Bushmaster/DPMS, PWS, and possibly LMT. I apologize for not being specific on what I'm trying to compare, which is value, not caliber/rifles themselves. Yes I know one is a rifle and the other a carbine. I like the idea of going piston system running cleaner and easier to clean, but DI would def save me money. The reason I'm selling/trading the ACR is because it's the only firearm I have right now that I'm willing to sell/trade....I have no issues with the ACR. Some people like it, others don't, just like anything else. The reason I'd rather have a 16/18" barrel is for "handiness", like a 16" AR. Am I going to be shooting 1000yds or even 500yds with it? No, cuz to do that I'd have to drive several hours so I'm stuck with 100yds at the moment. Besides, on their website they say their 12" guns are tack drivers too so I find the point moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Sounds like you made up your mind. It's a fair deal and I think you'll be satisfied. Cut the 20" to a 16" and rock and roll. Lots of places do the work. I think a cut + rethreading is about $100-$175... Or see about trading someone??Whatever you decide, just make sure you take pictures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired JM Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 ...I like the idea of going piston system running cleaner and easier to cleanThat's more of a fringe benefit to a gas piston system. Where a piston system really shines is firing surpressed. Because of the nature of DI, residue from blowback is magnified - excess gas and carbon from the gas tube PLUS gas and residue from the bore . Our M4s would start to choke at around 120 rounds; the shooter would start to choke after about 30 from gas and carbon escaping from the ejection port. A piston system eliminates a lot of the residue and heat coming into the receiver, so there's much less lube burn off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustinIL Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 I've decided to go through with the trade. With any luck the POF will be in my hands by mid-next week and pics will be posted when i get a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 ... pics will be posted when i get a chance.As is required by man-law C:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 That's more of a fringe benefit to a gas piston system. Where a piston system really shines is firing surpressed. Because of the nature of DI, residue from blowback is magnified - excess gas and carbon from the gas tube PLUS gas and residue from the bore . Our M4s would start to choke at around 120 rounds; the shooter would start to choke after about 30 from gas and carbon escaping from the ejection port. A piston system eliminates a lot of the residue and heat coming into the receiver, so there's much less lube burn off.I agree with the surpressed difference between the two gas systems ,but you will find that you substitute one cleaning procedure for another . The piston systems are not cleaner , your just putting the propellant fouling from one place to another . Granted its not in the BCG area ,but its some where.If you have not shot a piston system enough to foul it , I can tell you it is some times a lot of fun disassembling it when prolonged firing is required . Then if you add corrosive ammo & that's where it gets real fun . Get the hammer & punch out .Lets face it , both systems have there pro's & con's . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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