308 Plastic Training Ammo

[Spaniky73]

When I was searching for bulk plinking ammo I came across this

http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=8699&dir=18|830|848

They are made by H&k for the p91. They have a special bolt for it to cycle. It is a 10gr plastic round with 12grs of powder and travels at 3500-4700fps. From what I understand it is accurate out to about 100-300yds and recoils like a .22lr. I was wondering if anyone here had used them and would give me their 2 cents? It is hard to pass up 1000rds for under $200 but turning my semi-auto into a bolt action does not sound like fun after 20-30 rounds.

[98Z5V]

Looks like sims - simunitions.  Close range, they can be very deadly.  Had a friend in Okinawa lose an eye from one of those, right through a set of Oakley goggles.

[Spaniky73]

From what I understand they are not Sim rounds they are plastic bullets. They are suppose to be able to penetrate a 2x4. Unlike Sim rounds these are lethal at close range.

[98Z5V]

Unlike Sim rounds these are lethal at close range.

Sims can be very lethal at close range... 

[Spaniky73]

The old ones were a rubber material (very lethal at close range). All of the current military sim rounds that I have ever used are a subsonic chalk like material that disintegrates on impact. I have been hit on bare skin at 10ft and it did not break skin but it sure left a welt. To be lethal you need to be in the point blank range. These are lethal at over 100yds.

[MikedaddyH]

Yeah, I'm the sucker ! I bought a case of 1000  in the fall of 2009. It is german miltary practice ammo. It is accurate up to 200 yards ,the tip separates from the body and could kill small animals at close range. It will not cycle in any of my AR guns, two of my freinds were shooting them in their shops and it is quite loud. One bolt gun had problems with the firing pin not having enough pressure to set them off. Plus side super cheap to shoot and almost no recoil. I still have an untouched half case{500}

Would be good if you were teaching a teenager to shoot but that would be it , PITA to do single shots.

Mike

[Robocop1051]

Sims can be very lethal at close range...

When simunition first came out we used it in my Police Academy. We weren't instructed very well on the minimum engagement distances. During a sims battle one of our trainees was hiding behind a low wall. A second trainee snuck up behind the wall and shot the first trainee in the top of the head. The shot was only inches away, and completely unprotected. The result was NOT lethal, but it did result in a trip to the emergency room.

[BLKSHEEP]

When simunition first came out we used it in my Police Academy. We weren't instructed very well on the minimum engagement distances. During a sims battle one of our trainees was hiding behind a low wall. A second trainee snuck up behind the wall and shot the first trainee in the top of the head. The shot was only inches away, and completely unprotected. The result was NOT lethal, but it did result in a trip to the emergency room.

No offence but  should have been common sence not to put a firearm inches from someones head and pull the trigger,just saying :cookoo: :cookoo: :cookoo:

[Spaniky73]

Yeah, I'm the sucker ! I bought a case of 1000  in the fall of 2009. It is german miltary practice ammo. It is accurate up to 200 yards ,the tip separates from the body and could kill small animals at close range. It will not cycle in any of my AR guns, two of my freinds were shooting them in their shops and it is quite loud. One bolt gun had problems with the firing pin not having enough pressure to set them off. Plus side super cheap to shoot and almost no recoil. I still have an untouched half case{500}

Would be good if you were teaching a teenager to shoot but that would be it , PITA to do single shots.

Mike

So you would not recommend these?

[Robocop1051]

No offence but  should have been common sence not to put a firearm inches from someones head and pull the trigger,just saying :cookoo: :cookoo: :cookoo:

No offense taken. I wasn't either party. You have to expect problems when you tell a bunch of 21-23 year old boys, "it's just like paintball."