98Z5V Posted yesterday at 12:37 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:37 AM (edited) So, 4 or 5 years ago, we discovered that the offset Long Range site, from the SDTF - that particular 850-yard target over there, was 1.00 Miles from the campsite right at SDTF. We've been shooting a legitimate Statute Mile (1760 yards) ever since. In all that time, we were simply shooting at an IPSC plate, which, at 18" wide, isn't even 1 MOA wide for that distance - run the math. 2 Fall Shoots ago, we have a few years of this Mile thing under our belt, and we increased the target size, and more people start hitting the Mile, with many more calibers. That was the desire - get more people on target, get more hits, get more people interested in stretching this stuff out further. But, then, we're getting hits with a 6.5 CM, that goes subsonic at 1400-1500 yards... I mean, if you shoot at it long enough, you'll probably hit the thing... This coming January will be the 2nd anniversary of setting up the 2k. We had to do something. We had to stretch the distance, over the Statute Mile, 1760, make it tougher, and eliminate the braggarts with their 6.5 CM "that shoot a Mile..." well, they HIT the Mile, but that doesn't mean "they shoot a mile..." Big difference... Last Fall, 2280 came out. This Fall, more is coming out, and we have 2900 on the books... Hopefully... Everyone is now talking "ELR" this and that - we're not shooting ELR... Nowhere close... Of course, back in the day, you were a badass if you could plan, set up, and execute a shot at 1,000 yards. Okay, we can do that with small-frame ARs now. 1k is a joke. So is the Statute Mile, 1760. All we're simply doing is shooting the Nautical Mile (2,000 yards), and hitting it routinely. 2280 came up, 4 people went up the hill, 4 people hit it. Great. BUT... this is NOT "EXTREME LONG RANGE..." It's just not. Yeah, it's Long Range, for sure. But, it just isn't ELR. For some perspective, check this interview out with Chase "Pump" Stroud and Erik Cortina... We're only shooting "Long Range," people - we aren't doing any ELR, not quite yet. Be quite some time before we can pull anything off like that. Gonna take different calibers, different guns, and some radically different Density Altitude, to pull off any ELR out here, FWIW. By all means, be proud of what you've accomplished, and hit - we've come a long way, in a short amount of time, really. We're not in any ELR game at this point, though... Edited yesterday at 12:38 AM by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigNate Posted yesterday at 12:21 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:21 PM (edited) LOL - all my ELR talk is still aspirational... I don't even shoot LR - "yet"... I'm building towards them both... Edited yesterday at 12:21 PM by BigNate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigNate Posted yesterday at 12:52 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:52 PM (edited) Figured I'd look at what the interwebs define as "ELR" and after that - I'm going to let you argue with google... 😛 It seems that some definitions are based on when the bullet goes trans sonic. I'm going to go shoot my 8.6blk at 200Y and call it ELR... Like I've said elsewhere... right now I'm focused on putting rounds on steel at a mile - which will be far and away the longest shot I've ever connected on (well - other than lobbing strings of .50 BMG at plywood stuff at about that range from an M2 in my youth). I'm not super worried about what I call it... just looking forward to someday hearing the thump of impact on steel at more yards than the last time. If / when I get on steel at a mile, the next distance will become the next challenge. Its pretty amazing how quickly this stuff changes. It's like the hot-rod car hobby. When I was a 16 I remember seeing a magazine article about a street car that ran 11.9s (roots blown 440 mopar of some sort) which the magazine called the "fastest street car in America - and being totally blown away by that time for a street driven car... 15 years later a local buddy had a car that ran 8.61/160 after a 30 mile cruise (first gen camaro with turbos on a BBC)... and that seemed absolutely nuts... Today you have guys running drag-week putting down low 6's @ 220mph (the 2025 winner averaged 6.21 over 5 tracks - and ran a 6.079 @ 236 at one track) driving the same car about 1000 miles in the week while pulling a trailer with tools and supplies. In just the last 30 years the "fastest street car" tag has gone from 12s to 6s... I can't see how - but it could be that 20 years from now we all look back and laugh at thinking that 2000Y was "long range"... Edited yesterday at 02:11 PM by BigNate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted 19 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 14 hours ago, BigNate said: Figured I'd look at what the interwebs define as "ELR" and after that - I'm going to let you argue with google... 😛 That ain't Google, brother - that's the AI shiit that's showing up at the top of ever search now, and it's there because the mass of the population is lazy AF. That's an average of everything the integrated AI algo can find, that hits certain keywords in the search title. So, that's factoring in some guy shooting 22LR Silhouette Comps at 400 yards, and stating that he's shooting ELR. Most state it only starts at 1500 yards, and many, many more say it doesn't start until beyond 1760 yards. The people shooting the King of the 2 Mile, and have for years, are really the only ones that can give their opinion on the definition of "where / what range does ELR start?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunuckgaucho Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago I know that back in 2002 Rob Furlong made his at 2657yds shot which I found mind blowing. At the time I considered 1000yds long range so a shot more than twice that was hard to wrap my head around. It stood for about 7 years. It makes you wonder what someone like Carlos Hathcock could do shooting today's rifle, ammo and ballistic apps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago ELR is more based on the equipment you use if you are shooting a 223 or 5.56 at 1600 yards that is ELR for that caliber same for 22 matches today I say yes we are shooting ELR for the gear we are bringing when you bring a 375 Chey Tac to a range to shoot 1 mile that is not ELR take it to 2 miles and it is my 2 cents.. you have to challenge the distance with what you got .... hell my 338 Lapua is sub sonic at 1900 I am playing a game on gear I can make stable at 2500 and farther but if I have to shoot 30 rounds to get a hit I need bigger gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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