W-II Winchester heat shield / bayonet Adapter M1917 ?

[N Jensen]

I have this heat shield for a M10 or 1897 shotgun. It is a 4 row 19 hole heat shield, small/short steel front sight. There is no markings on it and appears to be original finish. The inside area is smooth to slip over the shotgun barrel, the screws holes are low enough to not touch the bottom of the barrel.

 

From what I saw on line it might be a late WW II part from Winchester for shotguns for the war. This was in my fathers gun collection. But I have no idea exactly what it maybe original or reproduction.

 

Can anyone tell me what I have?

 

Thanks Neil

[Robocop1051]

Even if it's a reproduction, it's about $200-$250... If it's real $??

[survivalshop]

 Win 97 trench gun bayonet mount /shield , I believe it take a 1903 rifles bayonet , but not sure .

Edited November 6, 2014 by survivalshop

[N Jensen]

I do have a 1907 bayonet and it dies fit. I was hopping for more detail. Just don't know where to look to see if no markings is correct or not.

 

Neil

[Robocop1051]

I'm headed to a BIG Reno Gun Show in a few days. I know a Winchester expert who had a booth there. He'll have the answer. I'll hit him up when I get there.

[N Jensen]

Outstanding, I 'll be waiting to hear from you.

[98Z5V]

Neil, found some info:

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=20403

[N Jensen]

I read the thread you found and took some pictures of the area mentioned in it. I do see some milling machine marks, what do you think?

 

I wanted to find out what I had original or not. It would depend if I bought any old shotgun and cut the barrel down or try and find an original trench shotgun. They cost a lot more but might be worth the trouble. 

Edited November 7, 2014 by N Jensen

[Robocop1051]

Just spoke with my old man. He says it should at the very least have the "US" stamp. Possibly the ordinance stamp as well, but he thinks only the barrel and receiver had those stamps

[planeflyer21]

Just spoke with my old man. He says it should at the very least have the "US" stamp. Possibly the ordinance stamp as well, but he thinks only the barrel and receiver had those stamps

 

The Chinese have been masters at counterfeiting.  They took their crappy M14 magazines and now they are VERY hard to tell from original GI...nearly identical proofs and stamps.  For a bit there you could only tell by how many tack welds and where.  They seem to have that pretty well figured out now.

[N Jensen]

I understand, its going to be hard to figure out it seems.

[98Z5V]

Could always take it to the next local (large) gun show - some older gentleman there will have info on it, for sure, once you plop it in his hands.   <thumbsup>  

[survivalshop]

  I've seen photo's of some with serial numbers , not sure what that means . 

 

I also read that the shotgun barrel has notches for the screws or has to be machined for them, if you looking for the shotgun . 

[N Jensen]

The one I have, the screws are not located high enough up to slide through a slot on the bottom side of the barrel. The adapter just slides over the barrel and the 3 screws are tighten down providing enough grip to stay in place without groves on the lower side of the barrel.

 

I tend to think it's original late WW II production. The heat shield is not the same finish, and the machine marks on the bottom of the lug and face of the round face is still visible. The front sight is a steal and not brass and is very short.

 

But seeing a picture of an original in a book is what I hope to find. The next gun show in my area is not until Dec or Jan at the earliest.  

 

So, still looking for a good answer. 

[planeflyer21]

Send these guys a few detailed photos...they'll be able to tell you exactly what you have:

 

http://www.forgottenweapons.com