this spot is 30 minutes drive from the house.. thats why we chose it. its right under their nose, but cant smell the smoke.. its not a bad hike just steep.. most see a trail and follow it until it ends.. we ducked left and right not to leave a trail to be followed. yet 30 min drive and 30 min hike is so foren wilderness for the city folk.. this might work ? im due south of the border ckg.