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Thanks guys. I am a 25 year retired cop, and a rangemaster. Wife is a shooter. Ain't trained nowhere near your numbers planeflyer...just a few dozen cops, perhaps a dozen female LEOs. I am a huge believer in test driving a firearm just like a car. While I love buying both for just the fun of it, they are both too pricey to make a mistake. We have a local indoor range/gunstore (run, coincidentally, by a retired cop :D) and we can test drive one up there. Really appreciate the info about the short reset sear.

Good deal. Sig has a rep to live up to! This is going to good information when it comes back, you and anyone else who may have this issue in the future will be able to find the answer.

Districts that do this may find themselves becoming "magnet" schools of another kind...the kind where parents are wise enough to know that law enforcement can't be everywhere at once. And...that self control is necessary for gun control to work.

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I'm 54, my exposure to guns started with Dad's bolt action hunting rifles. When I was 12, after walking with him as his, "spotter" the year before, I went to hunter safety school and after graduating he bought me my first rifle. A Remington 788 in .243. It came with a 4 power fixed scope. He paid $99 for it. It is hard for people who've grown up and lived in a world with one set of values to accept that change has come, and it isn't necessarily good change. There was a time when men settled differences with their fists, and then moved on...sometimes they even shook hands after and had a beer. Those times have changed. Now...a man expecting to have a frank conversation or at worst that fist fight might find himself walking bare handed into a bullet. That change is awful hard for decent people to accept. The WWII and Korea Vets came back to love the M-14's and M-1's and some of the bolt guns. Those weapons served them well and they respect them. There is a next generation who've come to be fond of the black rifle. It is going to be up to those of us who are fond of it to gently educate those who don't understand it. They don't take kindly to being talked down to, and they have a right to our respect. Starting with the point that we, as 2nd Amendment supporters, shouldn't allow a line to be drawn between us because of a misguided understanding of what the black rifle is. And isn't Then show them, explain it, be patient and respectful, and see if they can change. Point out that one semiautomatic rifle doesn't differ in actual function from their precious semiauto deer rifles or bird guns. I just hope that the form of the rifle won't be big enough to drive a wedge between us. Because those who seek to kill the second amendment in little bits at a time will make big hay of it...and continue their march.

Well it sounds like it is coming around...but I would probably contact Sig and let them know what is going on. If the book on the pistol does not direct the operator to go through a specific break-in procedure they need to know what you are experiencing.

I know I am late to this, but I am curious as to what the update might be, if any. If I was in the same boat with this weapon, personally, I would make sure she has a good run of Break-Free on the slides, and try running the Sig only mags. If it happens again pull the round out and take some measurements with a micrometer and make sure the bullet is seated in the case correctly. I don't have any experience with the Scorpion specifically. Sig is pretty famous for their magazine springs, in all the years we were running them at work we had about 110 sworn, 80 or so of those carrying 2 mags on the belt and one in the gun...no spring failures. Those mags rarely, if ever, had the tension taken off for a "rest".when we transitioned to our first Sigs. I would bet, tho, that if you call Sig the first thing they are going to do is send you two new mags to make certain it isn't a feed ramp issue with your mags. just info.. when we transitioned to our first Sigs back in 1990ish, myself and the other rangemasters did a test...we had a 226 9mm that we never cleaned. We just kept it lubed with Break-Free...about every 500 rounds we'd pull the slide, lube the runners, and reassemble and run some more. After 1500 rounds it was ugly to look at but still going. After 3000 we gave up and cleaned it. Actually, one of the rangemasters took it to Sig Armorers School and showed it off, then cleaned it and ran it at the school for 2 weeks. Heminut is right...beyond what he has given you diagnosing it without seeing it happen or having it in yer hot little hand is tough to do.

I am a Sig guy from way back, so please, while input is appreciated the only weapons under consideration in this discussion are Sig Sauer semi-autos. (I've trained for over 20 years with the P226 platform and its variants, trained countless others with it, so I want to stick with it.) My wife is 5-2 and about 125. (I am 6-4 about 270, don't know what she sees in me) My semi autos are all set up with grips designed to fill my hand and improve grip, hold, and accuracy. She has fired my .40S&W (s) but they are a handful for her, and she is far more accurate and comfortable with a 9mm. I believe a shooter comfortable with a firearm and a caliber are far more deadly than a shooter packing a hand cannon they are not comfy with. Over the past few months, she has begun to express a desire to get a CCW. I know she won't have a problem with the and approval/ clearance paperwork, but I want her to have a pistol she is comfortable and good with, and one I can train her on various drills with. After the first of the year it is my intent to take her to an indoor range locally and rent a 239 in 9mm and see how she does. If it works out, we will find a way to make this happen. Do any of you fellows have any experience with this exact piece, and even better have you put your lady on it or run a female through a course with said weapon? Or, do you have a wife packing a 229 in 9mm? thanks for reading.

I made sergeant before we put SRO's out in our county, but 392hemi is dead nut on the money regarding the SRO deal. Our SRO's take a huge load off the day shift patrol deputies, I cleared the reports they wrote and can tell you point blank tying a beat deputy up at the high school campus all day would have really cramp-ed our style, since minimum staffing is always maximum staffing in most cop shops. The service they provide, the intel the provide, priceless. Their presence and interaction on the campus with the kids does wonders for keeping us up to speed on what is going on, and sometimes gave us the chance to nip problems in the bud before they became major clusters. Getting SRO's in place is a good thing. Training everyone up on active shooter scenarios is another. When Columbine went down, I was a sgt., one of my "ancillary duties" was running the FTO Team. I put together an active shooter drill and grew it into a countywide mulit-agency training day. We had an indoor area with a bunch of false walls created with plastic sheet and 2x4s I and my Training Team assembled. wE laid them out like a school hallway. I recorded some audio of kids screaming and shots being fired and played it loud as hell in there, along with a fire drill alarm thing going off ever few seconds. We sent teams in to clear the "rooms", looking for an active shooter. We got with a local paintball store owner who came out and briefed all the trainees on paintball safety use, and "armed" the trainees with paintball guns. We had explorer scouts role-playing as frightened students everywhere, some of them made up by the Medics to look wounded. We had an area that was dark they had to work through. Then, towards the end of the drill,, they found themselves in a dead end area that was outside,, where the paintball shop owner, "ambushed" them. They had to get wounded out, etc...get them to the medic teams, who worked them up and did the drill as a mass casualty training event. We did this for 3 days to get every badge toter in the county through it, and whenever possible we mixed agencies up so guys would get to know each other and work with each other. It was very revealing, and a great event. There was big talk by the upper management of all the agencies that it would be a yearly training event. The following year I went to a Major Narc Task force and wasn't available to donate my days off, my truck, my shop, etc. to put it all together, and nothing happened. When I retired I took my training plans with me. I got a phone call yesterday from a deputy I ran through that day who is now a Lt. at another agency in another county. He remembers that training day and wants to put one together. Unfortunately, after 6 years of retirement I got tired of moving that heavy damn file box around and destroyed it. ::) I may have it on a floppy disk someplace, but who even has a computer with a floppy drive anymore, LOL. I am gonna try to work with him over the phone to recreate the big points of it, but he is going to have to put a team together to pull it off. This is what needs to be going on...you guys that are still active LEO or fire/ems need to be looking at this kind of interagency mass casualty training. Active shooter stuff where everyone has a role to play.

This is a long rant. Excuse me for that. I have lived through and witnessed the complete failure of the local mental health system, and seen more than one person die. Read on, if you want the truth. If you prefer not to read it, don't it is long and ugly and for that I apologize. I am on many forums but this is the only place you will see this. I worked in LE at the county level, (S.O.) and for a few of those 25 years in the mid-nineties I was on the negotiating team for my bargaining unit (Sergeants & Lt.s). I remember having an "off the record" conversation with someone in the auditors office who was in the know as to where the $ went. She told me that 78% of every dollar the general fund brought in was earmarked and by law had two be spent on federal or state mandated programs, leaving the board of supervisors control over exactly 28 cents on the dollar to do everything else with. Mental Health was not a high priority because there was not a huge cry for it. People don't like to talk about it. The cops handle the worst, the "crisis workers" keep the thing just above sinking level, and every once in awhile one gets loose and we have a murder, a suicide, or like now, a first class tragedy. In counties and cities everywhere there are shingles hanging on office doors for programs like this...where there is no one behind the door...lotsa phone numbers listed in the phone book for programs that go right to an answering machine that someone some place checks now and then. This is the way it is. The states, all broke from funding the give-aways and freebies and such have pushed all the responsibilities down to the county level, but haven't sent the $. In fact, they have pulled $ back. They say that we are borrowing about half of the money we spend at the federal level alone. Many of the states are at least as bad off, because the Fed has pushed programs down and not funded them. Now, we have enough people dependent on these systems (sometimes multiple generations) who vote...and they will keep voting for their check no matter what. This is what you saw in the past election. Mental health is gonna get talked about, lots of hand wringing and lots of blow hard politicals demanding this and promising that...and nothing is gonna happen because they won't put the money where it needs to be. Much easier to tax and ban...tax everyone who works and ban guns, so that only crazy people or other criminals can get guns. Just like it was in the old weapons ban, when nothing changed statistically regarding gun crime. And when the next nut or person who is just downright evil commits mass murder with a revolver or a shotgun or a Ruger 10/22 we will go through this again...and lose more of our rights. Facing the problem is not something the .gov wants to do. They don't even want to know it exists. The concept of "responsibility begets accountability" is not something they want to face. And we don't demand that they do. They will hide, pretend it isn't there, and "manage the risk" which to us translates to "roll the dice". They will do this at every level, city, county state and fed. They get away with it for awhile, they get lucky. But, every once in awhile there is a real mess...like the Colorado theater deal, and now this one. "Managing the risk" is easy to get away with until people die. But to be honest, even when people die not much happens...5-6 years of lawsuits, a big check gets written, and they go back to business as usual. This wasn't fun to write, I am sure it isn't fun to read. But it is the absolute God's truth, I've seen it...I've lived it, I know it. We, the people, need to get back to the roots of what made us the country we used to be, and demand accountability from ourselves and our government. Until we do, nothing is going to change.We need to chase evil out of our lives, and begin to rebuild in our hearts and souls. Then begin sending good people to office that understand what we expect.

Well done, BC. Haven't shopped there but will in the future. My "favorites" folder for shooting sports has been cleaned out, so there is plenty of room.

Cerberus owns Remington and a couple others...they are selling Bushmaster strictly as a $ decision, I suspect. It would be nice if a real gun maker, not a holdings corp, could jump in. We are in for hard times, fellas. Panic on the part of gun owners coupled with a .gov who never lets a crisis go un-manipulated isn't a good thing. While I hope that the House of Representatives gets their collective backbone installed and says no, I am not confident of that, and if they do, I am not confident the person in the oval office won't attempt an end-around and try an executive order of some type. We cold see some real chaos here. Watching all of this happen is presenting a picture of America that isn't good. This is the wrong time for us to lose focus. The world is a far too dangerous place beyond our borders. As far as CTD and the other retailers caving in, I think they should be ashamed of themselves, and sent them emails stating so. When the people who support the Constitution should be walking in lockstep, and when the free exercise of our rights needs to be re-affirmed on a daily basis, these people cave in. We should never let them forget it. I won't.

Coming from another (retired) cop. Your presence is a benefit to the school, and frankly, the superintendent is doing a disservice to his students and staff by being so myopic. They style of your uniform is irrelevant. What he is really upset about is that he doesn't want to have to explain to the children why you are there, although I am quite certain the kids already know. If I had kids in that school and found out how that admin was running things and ran you out, I'd be at the next board meeting stirring the manure pile and looking for his head. What a buffoon. I'd wager coffee money that the supe won't put in writing his desire to regulate your uniform or presence on campus. That is why the chief went over there...put something that absurd on paper would have parents blowing gaskets everywhere in the district if they read it. And if he is stupid enough to put it in written policy, I'd spend my own cash sending copies out... "Did you check in with the front office?"...what a power trip this guy is on.

I can build an engine, wire a car from scratch, but I can't tell you how any of this computer stuff works. I know it uses electricity, and that is about it. <dontknow>

St. Judes is a true place of wonder. Glad to see there are a few with the go-fast disease around here. Looks like you had a good time.

I hope you are wrong. I am afraid, (and believe) that you are right.

Duce much of what you said is dead nut on.. However, as a guy who more than once dealt with a M.H. system that simply doesn't work, there is more to it than that. Municipalities and counties just don't have the infrastructure in place to hold people. As a deputy I had more than one run-in with a "crisis worker" who wanted to let some guy go after I spent 2 hours talking him out of eating a shotgun, and as a sergeant I saw it go as bad as it can get. Locking down those who desperately need it, and who society needs to be protected from, is very expensive an it isn't a priority. I could go on and on about the blatant failures of the system, and I have gone so far as to write elected officials...never heard back. It comes down to plausible deniability...if they can claim they don't know then they can get away with not doing anything about it...of course I sent everything registered and kept copies of all the stuff I sent up the chain, which is probably why I never made it past Sgt., LOL

The boilerplate of this bill has been sitting in Feinsteins office for several years. She has just been waiting for the right time to bring it to the surface. As Rohm Emanuel said, "never let a crisis go to waste", and Feinstein has never strayed from that philosophy. We are in for what will be the fight of our lives the next few years. The only good thing that will come from this is that it is going to get people on the record, there will be no wishy-washy about it, and those who don't support the Constitution are going to have to come out of the closet, as it were. Once they do, people will have a clear choice come the 2014 election. I am gonna start sending the NRA a few bucks when I can. It won't be much because I just don't have much to give, but it will be some.

Just when you think you've seen everything something like this comes along. Great find, really. A great story for BS sessions...

$ is really, really, tight right now. I probably should not have raided my stash of emergency cash for purchasing the new 10TBNF my son and I went halves on when I did, but what with the world where it is I really felt it the time was now. The rifle is safe in his possession and we will go through the build as $ allows. I suspect that they are going to become even harder to find and more expensive as the future unfolds. I think we are going to hold off on anything for each other. We want to take our granddaughter, who will be 5 next June, down to Disneyland next spring/summer. We will save for that. I really want to by my wife a small Sig Sauer 9mm in 2013. I am a Sig guy since the early 90's and a big believer in their stuff. She is petite so we will go for a 239 9mm.

This guy has mega cajones for stepping forward and giving us a view from the inside of what is going one at that level. I thank him, and all the people like him, for that. I think the internet itself has been the biggest windfall for government looking to collect data on it's people since the invention of the written word. Sometimes I wonder how far we are going to fall, and if, once we bottom out, will there be enough people left with the courage and strength to dust off the Constitution and restore it. Or, will the world have to wait a few centuries for free people to rise up again, somewhere, and create a republic like ours once was.

I am new here and my knowledge of the black rifle is limited, but beginning to grow. I know guns in general but have never had the time or interest that seems to have developed the last couple of years. I am here to make it grow. The guy they are targeting with these products is a guy like me, only with money, LOL. It took my son and I two years to save up the $ for the 10TBNF "we" now own. Guys with more money than knowledge keep retailers in business. This is just like the hot rod world, which I am intimately familiar with. I know what a good steel crankshaft costs, a good set of rods and pistons, and the cost to balance same. I know the good pieces from the junk. I also know what it costs to prep a block and assemble a short block. I can buy the pieces and use my connections in the machine shop world, then assemble it for about 55% of what the internet gurus retail them for. You guys that know these rifles inside out and know which pieces to buy and which are junk are not gonna fall for the pretty pictures and jump in with both feet. I am thrilled with the 10T, but more so thrilled that it is something me and my adult son can get together on when time allows. The fact that the stuff you guys are talking about here sells like hotcakes is proof that their are still people out their with cash willing to make purchases based on some advertising, without researching the item....let alone trying to educate themselves about it.

thanks, something else goes on the list... ;D

This says for the DPMS platform...will it also work on a Armalite? Thanks for the link to the new candy store...:D

One of my favorite "lines" that I used at the end of every range day I put on is as follows. You guys are welcome to steal it, I stole it too, many years ago. "What we have learned and worked on today is not like riding a bicycle. Many of you haven't been on a bicycle in 20 years, but if I put one in front of you you could ride it. Shooting is a very perishable skill. Muscle memory combined with a link to a mind engaged in the active awareness concept we have taught you. In 6 months if you are put in a position to use these skills and haven't practiced between now and then you won't be as sharp. You might not be able to clear a stovepipe without stopping to think about it. Your mind and body may not be connected as tightly as you swing to acquire a target. If you stop to think about it on the bicycle you fall down. If you stop to think about it in a critical incident, you might fall down forever."