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That's a HUGE PLUS, because @unforgiven is FAR from house-broken...

I knew you'd find an angle, inside this discussion!...

Same exact thing down here, brother. Same fukking thing. It's a matter of time, before they start that here - but our Dems currently have their hands full by getting their asses handed to them on this "Collusion" thing that just smoked them. Oh, and trying to reign in AOC, who is outta control...

Scope levels. You cannot fuk that up at distance. Flat-range distance shooters have an advantage, because target frames are square. You can square up your reticle with the target frame. That's not happening, out in the dirt. You need to have the scope leveled to the rifle, and you need a reference to level the gun - out in the dirt. You can get by at 800 yards-ish. Beyond that, if you're looking at a cactus as a vertical reference point to level your scope - that bastard is probably growing up crooked. And, you'll miss. You cant that rifle off-vertical by even a couple degrees, and you'll see a dirt-clod hop up beside your target, instead of see it swing (and you'll see it swing at 800 well before you'll hear the hit). At 1k and 1100, we couldn't hear the hits, not with earplugs in - we had to go by whether it was swinging or not. If you aren't level, you will probably miss.

Your instructors might have sucked!... This .260 is solidified as one of my primary "distance guns" now. It's proven itself. I knew it was going to happen, anyway, and I set it up that way. I now have three primary "distance guns," with this one. Here they are, top to bottom, .260 Rem AR, Rem 700 AAC-SD (20" heavy barrel, 1:10" twist, and a bunch of other stuff) and the Rem 700 .300 Win Mag (26" heavy barrel, and bone stock besides glass). <<< That thing is gonna be changing, too. It needs a Timney trigger and a detachable mag setup - but I'm not changing the Bell & Carlson M40 stock. Here's the bitches: Those are all set up for me. Those two 700s have identical eye relief in the scopes, and the .308 is spaced on the stock for an identical length of pull for me. From the eyepiece back to the end of the buttstock, they're twins. The .260 has the scope set a little further back on it, because it's an AR, but the length of pull is set further back on the stock - LOP to eyepiece is the same on all three. What else is similar on those three guns?...

Interesting, that you brought it up. GP Johns 6.5 Creed. I had my dope on the .260. I asked him to get me his load info before the shoot. He didn't, and I didn't bug him. He was busy running the shop, and mounting and leveling his scope on Saturday. So, okay... I didn't make an initial dope chart for him. The .260 and 6.5C are close, almost enough to be ballistic twins, some say - but that didn't work out, on Sunday. I was 6.5 mils of drop on the 850. He was another 2.0 mils (8.5 mils) of drop on the 850. He was also shooting 140gr factory loads - I'm shooting 147gr hands loads jamming 2650fps. If was different for both of us. Once I confirmed he was 2.0 mils different on the 850, I guess-timated for him on the 1k and 1100, adding 2-ish mils to my drop info, and spotting for him. He got on - he hit them, too. He logged his hits, and drop info, but we need to confirm that on a no-wind day to rely on it. Dial-Fire-Bang. 1 MOA at 1,100 would be 11.517". That's an 18" wide target, 26" tall.

t They were in target, but at different times. I'd take 5 shots at that 1,100, then move to the 850 for 5 more - then spot GP John on the 500, then spot again at 1,000 for him. It wasn't consistent shot after shot on that. We had the targets out there, and we moved to each, alot. Everytime you went back to one, it was slightly different, so you had to start the process all over again. Settle, set NPOA, confirm NPOA, read wind, dial, confirm level, reacquire... Fire. As soon as you saw an impact or a dirt burst, you knew what was up - second shot was usually right on, and you stayed on unless you rushed the next shot, or something changed. ^^^ There's truth in this one. It applies at 600 yards on a .308 Winchester cartridge. Below that distance, wind really won't affect you too much, unless you're shooting in a hurricane, or you're only aiming for the Xs. Beyond 600, it makes a big difference, and that only increases with more distance. On the 500, if you know your drop, you're gonna hit it, wind be damned. At the 850, you definitely have to account for it or you will NOT get on target. The further you go, you only hope for a calm day, no wind. If there's wind, you suck it up. You can read it accurately (enough), or not. I'd rather shoot a 10mph full-value wind at 850 than a 3~5mph variable wind at 1k. For wind practice, on the cheap - if you can shoot a .22LR at 200 yards, and account for the wind, and make hits - that's about the same as shooting .308 Winchester at 600 yards - as far as wind goes. If you can apply that at 200 on .22 - you can do it at 600 with .308.

That's a DPMS mag.

Can can't go wrong with that PA 4~14 ACSS HUD DMR .308 scope. The reticle is what makes it fantastic, all the way out to that 800 yards.

Is that the "known children" or a calculated estimate of what's out there?... I knew I was one of yours...

Great guns! You'll like it. I've got the 5.56 version, and similarly, a Ruger GSR.

I got lucky... Normally, I get skeered or nervous and close my eyes then just start jerking the trigger... Shiit panned out for me this time... Not down down here, brother! He saw no snow in our future, and I'm good now! Maybe we need you to set that groundhog up with some corrective lenses... That was damn near 1,100 yards, brother. With a changing wind, in the desert. That's about as far as I can say for a science experiment. I had to read wind at distance, between the target, and at the shooting point, dial my drop, and apply the proper shooting fundamentals - all while hoping I didn't screw something up in there. If the wind even changed a little bit, it affected the impact on target. At that distance, going from a 4.0mph wind to a 4.5mph wind will change the impact point. My drop was dead-on, though, at 10.0 mils for 1,100 yards. Elevation-wise, I was there as soon as I dialed it - I had to deal with the wind. It was pretty consistent at 5mph, mainly from the right. At times, on the 850, it was a wind from the LEFT. Crazy. I'd go from a half mil right-edge hold on the target, to a 1.0 mil left hold. There were times when I saw mirage a little more than 5mph, maybe 7. Overall, it stayed the same - but when it changed on you, you were suddenly off-target, re-reading wind, and correcting. Last weekend during the Spring Shoot, we were battling 8mph winds with gust to 20mph, and swirling... It sucked! The best thing about this gun - parts selection. I can shoot, and watch the impacts on target through the scope. When I got lucky and hit it... The optic, brake, barrel, trigger, recoil system - all work great together.

I've shot the TP9, and I do like that pistol. It is WAY on the good side of quality .vs price .vs performance.

Drone guy... didn't come out today. We had him on yesterday, but he didn't make it out. The need for a drone operator was because of a phone call last week between GP John and his Rep at Athlon Optics - John told him what we were doing during the Spring Shoot, and he said, "You guys get me a video, and I'll get it uploaded to our website!" WooHoo! It was on! Then, no drone operator... We'll get it done, I just don't know when. John got some really good pics, and he's supposed to get them to me - when I get those, I'll put them in this thread.

Got out there with GP John this morning. Set the usual suspects out there, the 500 and 845. Put two more out there, longer. Official measured distances today were 502 yards, 851 yards, 988 yards, and 1,081 yards. I took the .260, and he took his 6.5 Creedmoor. We had a paper zero target at 100 so he could dial his scope in, then we got after it. Here's an overall shot of the whole area: I poked the 500 initially,to make sure my scope was on, then GP John just punished that thing. We didn't paint any of the targets when we put them out there. The one at 988 was painted previously, and not shot, so it was the only clean target that went up. Here's the 851 for the day: All new hits on it are circled in red: This is the 988 - it's the one that went up clean. As soon as I got two hits on it, I moved to the 1,081... THIS ONE was fun!!! 1,081 was previously shot, and not painted. New hits are circled in yellow. This dope chart I made for the .260 is on the money! It's RIGHT on! Made this up with JBM Ballistics, printed it, laminated it, and it stays in the chest rig. Overall, a very good day...

We, in this country, better keep a close eye on this, right here - "Humanitarian Aid," and relocation started this one. Guess when, and who was the president? This is "the spread" right here, and it's only going to grow. Mark those words. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-ilhan-omar-hits-back-at-president-trump-after-he-pushes-report-she-could-be-out-of-congress

I didn't take anything out on you, first off. You made a post, today, that this Big Bang was happening in 30~45 minutes. I commented on something that happened 2 days ago. You came back with a smartass "Sorry..." like it's funny that the info is gone... I didn't involve you in that - you did. Don't blame me for involving you - YOU involved you...

Finally - I get him back... 😘 I've been asking you to drive here for years, so if that's what it takes, let me know what to amp up to get it done... 'bout time, too, sweetie... 🤩 Look, you guys - it was on the board. It was live, yes, during an update and migration. You're saying it's disappeared now, into Bizarro World now, gone forever? No way. If it was up - it's here. It didn't get wiped, entirely, off the planet. A whole bunch of stuff disappeared from two nights ago, so target that timeframe for missing information. 22 March, in the evening. You can broaden it several hours on each side. The information isn't "missing." It's in some garbled code, here, from the migration. It's not gone, forever... I wish we still had that ass-waving smilie here, I'da used that one...

eat a dick, brother. You have no idea how much time I put in to that shiit. EDIT- there is zero reason you guys can't figure this out, and recover previous posts. I admin'd this forum software for years, starting in 2004. You can't tell me that you can't recover lost information in a transition period, and that it's gone forever - I know better. I've done it, numerous times. Put the work in, don't halfass it, and get it done. I'm only pissed because I've been on that side, and i'm not going to take any excuses for "lost information." I already know that THAT excuse is bullshiit. I've already done it, over a decade ago.

Fucking WONDERFUL. All my gasport timing info is gone. That chaps my ass like you can't believe.

For curiousity's sake, why are you looking for this? I just wanna know what appeals to you, about it, and why?...

...and THAT is terrifying... We cannot let that shiit happen in this country. No way. This Somali that was elected to Congress this past election, and another one - that can't spread. You guys, I can go on about this for hours, back to my last job in the Army. I started a unit that was the very first unit of Interpreters. All natives of their land, but supposed to be US Citizens - first gen immigrants, here on US soil. I uncovered so much corruption in the recruitment process, it was sickening, from the recruitment process to training to deployment - and I ended up with them. I have a stack of records and details that would boggle the mind. What i saw, combined with the insane amount of ineptitude at the Senior NCO Leadership Levels at "The Home of Intel," is why I said "Fuk, I'm DONE here!, " and got out. There are some seriously fucked up E9s in MI.

Here's my Aero/Toolcraft extractor, with the duals: It sucked to drive the extractor pin out. It REALLY sucked putting the extractor pin back in. I've never had an extraction issue on this gun.

Aaaaaahhhhh.... Mid '80s aerobic bitches were SO HOT!...

HOLY SHIIT, BROTHER...