Bambohunter Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Ok guys like the title says which one? I'm trading an ar15 for one of these rifles. Please help me decide which one. Give me pros and cons of both if possible. Thanks for the help.
ponce Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Big difference in weight. Depends on what you want it for. I looked at a Windham SCR recently and it wasn't the model Windham I wanted but it was very well done. Cosmetics were good, fit was very good. I'd also look at the DPMS G2's of whatever persuasion appealed to you. Also, you might wait for/look for the DPMS G2 compact Hunter-- Reportedly under 7 pounds! (if you want a light rifle).
Bambohunter Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Posted February 3, 2015 I don't really want to spend much money. Time are tight lol thanks Obama. And both of theres I could trade for. I'm leaning towards the windham. Can't find many reviews on it though
Robocop1051 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Windham is a Bushmaster ORC. Literally, the same machines and same techs. They separated a couple years ago. The cut and quality is about the same.... which means it's basically a DPMS, since they're all under the parent Remington (Freedom Group) company.
planeflyer21 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Windham is a Bushmaster ORC. Literally, the same machines and same techs. They separated a couple years ago. The cut and quality is about the same.... which means it's basically a DPMS, since they're all under the parent Remington (Freedom Group) company. Hunh? If by "couple of years" you mean "nearly a decade ago, Freedom Group bought the Bushmaster name and moved production under the DPMS banner, with a non-competition clause of 5 years to the original Bushmaster owners/factory" then okay. Former Bushmaster = current Windham. Current Bushmaster = DPMS. I was a BIG fan of the former Bushmaster (now Windham) products, probably because my first AR was a '90s Bushmaster Dissy. My second AR was a "Colt green label HBAR match pre-ban", which took a very distant second place to the Bushy in accuracy. Working retail when the big purchase occurred in 2006, Freedom Group placing the Bushmaster label under the DPMS, and Remington labels. There was an immediate drop in QC (as there was with Marlin, H&R 1871, and NEF). Since then, Bushmaster seems to be the "redheaded step-child" of the group. The original group out of Maine were government suppliers for AR platform rifles, along with Colt and FN. That group of experienced machinists, QC personnel, and management are now Windham Weaponry, founded 2011 (exactly 5 years after the non-competition clause ended). IMO, YMMV, etc., etc., etc.
survivalshop Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Sell your AR15 & buy a DPMS G2, even if you have to save up to get it . That being my first choice , if you want to get into a 308AR right off the bat & don't want to wait , you need to look at what you want to do with this rifle , then pick the one that comes closest to what you want . Sounds like you are going to customize it any way from you other thread , right ?
Bambohunter Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Posted February 3, 2015 Sell your AR15 & buy a DPMS G2, even if you have to save up to get it . That being my first choice , if you want to get into a 308AR right off the bat & don't want to wait , you need to look at what you want to do with this rifle , then pick the one that comes closest to what you want . Sounds like you are going to customize it any way from you other thread , right ? The only customizing I'll probably do is a free float rail/ hand gaurd out front and a nice optic. The main purpose would be for hog hunting maybe some light target shooting. I have multiple ar's now whoever all are .223/5.56. ID like to try out the larger caliber.
FaRKle! Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 The original group out of Maine were government suppliers for AR platform rifles, along with Colt and FN. That group of experienced machinists, QC personnel, and management are now Windham Weaponry, founded 2011 (exactly 5 years after the non-competition clause ended).Let's clarify that statement a bit. There have been some small government purchases of Bushmasters (Windham) in the past, but they were NOT the military. There have also been similar purchases of RRA and Stag too, so that doesn't mean much.I don't trust the Bushmaster of old at all (they're like CMMG to me) and wouldn't consider them better than the Freedom group version.
Bambohunter Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Posted February 3, 2015 I feel like the windham is the better deal and from what I've read " which has been very little" it seem that the ppl who have them like them. The deal I could make on the windham come with a better optic ammo range bag and more mags. That being said im really focused on which is the better firearm.
98Z5V Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Let's clarify that statement a bit. There have been some small government purchases of Bushmasters (Windham) in the past, but they were NOT the military. There have also been similar purchases of RRA and Stag too, so that doesn't mean much. Bushmaster has been the sole-source provider for many militaries - just not the US Military. They were no slouch with foreign military contracts.
FaRKle! Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Bushmaster has been the sole-source provider for many militaries - just not the US Military. They were no slouch with foreign military contracts.That doesn't make them good though. Oman and Georgia (post acquisition) having Bushmasters doesn't mean much.They could put out some good guns, but likewise they put out a lot of not so great ones. Edited February 3, 2015 by FaRKle!
98Z5V Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 That doesn't make them good though. Oman and Georgia (post acquisition) having Bushmasters doesn't mean much. They could put out some good guns, but likewise they put out a lot of not so great ones. Before Freedom Group, after Freedom Group doesn't really matter. Bushmaster has a pretty decent track record of foreign military contracts, both before and after that acquisition. You're forgetting the mid-90s days, when everything that wasn't "ABC" was $hit. Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt. If it wasn't one of those, is was $hit. Bushmaster doesn't put out a bad product. I can see The Chart coming now, and the eternal ramblings of one certain fellow that started his own board...
ponce Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) There have been some small government purchases of Bushmasters (Windham) in the past, but they were NOT the military. Funny ,but that's what i thought until I was taking a class with a LEO formerly Marine who told me they shot Bushmasters in the service. I told him I didn't know or think that Bushmaster sold any to the military but he said they had this "snake" on the side, pointing to a Bushmaster lower. Edited February 3, 2015 by ponce
wetncold Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 I just got a Windham SRC 308. Haven't shot it yet, still waiting on scope rings. Very tight and I really can't wait to put some rounds downrange. The utube video of the plant tour sold me.
Bambohunter Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Posted February 3, 2015 I just got a Windham SRC 308. Haven't shot it yet, still waiting on scope rings. Very tight and I really can't wait to put some rounds downrange. The utube video of the plant tour sold me.[/quote Awesome. That's the one im leaning toward. Thanks for your input
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