si defense sid 308, and pws mk216

[Darracq]

Been looking at these 2, found quite a bit of info on the pws but almost nothing on the sid, not the ambi so

Anyone got any exp with either

[FaRKle!]

SI-D's is brand new so you probably won't find much on it. A couple of us here have PWS MK2's (mine's a Mod1). What kind of things are you interested in about it?

[Darracq]

Mostly is one better than the other' the si is 1800 and I've seen the pws for 2300. I really like the pws but would like to stay under 2000. I am new to ar's. I shoot a rem 700

[Robocop1051]

You're really comparing a diesel vs a gas truck. Both are great guns, that you won't be disappointed with.

SID makes a completely ambidextrous rifle,using proprietary parts. IMHO, they are the most advanced design on the market.

PWS uses more mainstream parts, and is a long stroke piston system. The parts they make in-house are top notch.

[FaRKle!]

Mostly is one better than the other' the si is 1800 and I've seen the pws for 2300. I really like the pws but would like to stay under 2000. I am new to ar's. I shoot a rem 700

Better in what areas? Weight, barrel accuracy, weight distribution, ect.? There are lots of criteria where it can be better, which ones are the most important to you? It's not exactly an even comparison given the different operating methods.

I wouldn't say PWS has more mainstream parts. Just look at the piston system!

Edited April 7, 2015 by FaRKle!

[Robocop1051]

I wouldn't say PWS has more mainstream parts. Just look at the piston system!

I should've been more specific. I was speaking about the LPK. PWS uses standard LPK parts. SID has proprietary LPK parts.

[Darracq]

Better in what areas? Weight, barrel accuracy, weight distribution, ect.? There are lots of criteria where it can be better, which ones are the most important to you? It's not exactly an even comparison given the different operating methods.I wouldn't say PWS has more mainstream parts. Just look at the piston system!

I want reliable and accurate'

[edgecrusher]

Like how accurate? Can you do your part? What is this going to be? A bench gun? A battle rifle? Your not giving up enough info for us to help.

I have a mod 1 mk214. Good rifle, MOA shooter I would guess. I shoot it with a red dot and can hold 1.5 moa at 100, 5 shot strings. Good enough for me and what I need.

I have a 20" LaRue that shoots 3/8 moa at 100/5 shots, scoped, and I wouldn't want that to be a main battle weapon.

See where I'm going?

[FaRKle!]

I want reliable and accurate'

The action of the PWS system itself is reliable. That said, they do have tighter match chambers which causes chamber pressures to be a bit higher. All of my 175gr match ammo exhibits cratered primers (never had any pop a primer though). If you use really hot M80 ball you can get popped primers (CBC/Magtech M80 ball did this with my MK216). I can say their CS is top notch though and keeps you in the loop far more than any other company I've dealt with though.

The MK216 is a well put together gun, but it isn't a rugged throw everything and anything at it gun. It doesn't like higher pressure ammo. To be fair though, that CBC/Magtech M80 ball shows high pressure signs in other guns too and I wouldn't recommend it in general.

[Darracq]

Like how accurate? Can you do your part? What is this going to be? A bench gun? A battle rifle? Your not giving up enough info for us to help.

I have a mod 1 mk214. Good rifle, MOA shooter I would guess. I shoot it with a red dot and can hold 1.5 moa at 100, 5 shot strings. Good enough for me and what I need.

I have a 20" LaRue that shoots 3/8 moa at 100/5 shots, scoped, and I wouldn't want that to be a main battle weapon.

See where I'm going?

I would like to do some target shooting, I would put my swfa scope on it. I want be fight with it if it ever comes to that lol. Moa would be good enough for me. I guess I won't know for sure what I want till I get something' but I won't buy a bunch of guns, might even sell my 700. Want to be able shoot up to 800 or so yards , I probably won't shoot more than a couple hundred rounds a year.

[Darracq]

The action of the PWS system itself is reliable. That said, they do have tighter match chambers which causes chamber pressures to be a bit higher. All of my 175gr match ammo exhibits cratered primers (never had any pop a primer though). If you use really hot M80 ball you can get popped primers (CBC/Magtech M80 ball did this with my MK216). I can say their CS is top notch though and keeps you in the loop far more than any other company I've dealt with though.The MK216 is a well put together gun, but it isn't a rugged throw everything and anything at it gun. It doesn't like higher pressure ammo. To be fair though, that CBC/Magtech M80 ball shows high pressure signs in other guns too and I wouldn't recommend it in general.

I have a bunch fed gold 168 grains I will shoot and then reload

[survivalshop]

DPMS GII   <dontknow>   Whoops , not on your list . <laughs>

[Darracq]

DPMS GII   <dontknow>   Whoops , not on your list . <laughs>

Been looking at them for awhile too low' and a few others

[Magwa]

reliable.... = maintenance and how good you are at it these 308 guns are a different animal, any big difference in builds means harder to find parts, stick with something you can build or replace easily.. some of the systems out there are on their own as far as available....  goes...

 

accurate = you  , you are the biggest part of that equation the very best rifle can have a so so trigger, and if you can not hold it where it needs to be then it is not the fault of the rifle buy a rifle or build one it is easy, and buy the parts that mean the most for you like a awesome barrel, trigger, etc then you will have what you want not what someone else says you want.... these companies are in business to make money build your own and use your money to get the parts you want.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Magwa