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Maybe so, maybe not.  Maybe I'm just the luckiest grandfather on the planet.  Last night, my 9-year-old grandson called.  With his father's  (my son's) enthusiastic permission, he asked me if he and I could build an AR-15 together.  

 

Two words.  Hell and Yes, in that order.  It may take a few days to wipe off this grin.

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Maybe so, maybe not.  Maybe I'm just the luckiest grandfather on the planet.  Last night, my 9-year-old grandson called.  With his father's  (my son's) enthusiastic permission, he asked me if he and I could build an AR-15 together.  

 

Two words.  Hell and Yes, in that order.  It may take a few days to wipe off this grin.

 

Thats awesome <thumbsup>

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In Australia ...even kinetic energy weapons are illegal....slingshots are illegal along with guns :) Wash

 

And the Anointed One is on record more than once stating the USA should be restricted to Australian-style gun control.

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And the Anointed One is on record more than once stating the USA should be restricted to Australian-style gun control.

Roosevelt made us register our machine-guns....Reagan and the NRA effectively took them away.....

A lesson to learn from the old man in the story, never put all your eggs in one basket............

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  How did the NRA help take them away , last I looked the NRA has no vote in the House or Senate  <dontknow>

They agreed to support the legislation publicly, they lobbied there members to ask there reps to pass it. behind the scenes I have heard anecdotal evidence that they were instrumental in the negotiations. If the NRA would have stood firm against it there is a good chance it never would have gotten to Reagan's desk. But.......in the end ultimate responsibility belongs to us, the sheeple that elected the cowardly bastards.

   I remember this very well, it ended my NRA support and when the price of full auto weapons shot through the roof it crushed my hopes of owning one.

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   This has been talked about for years , its BS . Do you really think that calls to you Senator or representative makes a difference & change there vote ?

  Great propaganda from the anti's !  Divide & Concur !

 

  Still , the NRA doesn't get to vote on any of it & you have no idea on what was kept from them on the wording on the Bill . I was a Class three Dealer at that time & no one liked this Bill , including the NRA !

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It isn't just propaganda, I wasn't a dealer but have always been politically active. I distinctly remember the NRA playing a role in the passage.

"Former NRA lobbyist Richard Feldman, who has since parted ways with the organization, tells NPR that Wayne LaPierre, currently NRA's executive vice president, was willing to let the machine gun ban go forward if it meant the larger bill it was attached to would pass.

 
"I remember very well having dinner ... with Wayne LaPierre on the big victory after it passed the House," he says. "And we weren't too concerned about the machine gun issue, but it came back to haunt Warren Cassidy."
 
Opening The Door?
 
"At the time, Cassidy headed the NRA's lobby, the Institute for Legislative Action. He confirms now that LaPierre, who did not respond to a request for comment, pushed hard to let the machine gun ban stand.
 
"He said, 'I want to do it. I think we have to do it.' So I said yes, and that was the end of the story. It passed, and as we learned immediately, an element of NRA, a very vociferous element of NRA ... determined that it just couldn't be that way," Cassidy says. "We couldn't give an inch. I don't think they ever forgave me for it."
 
From this article but there are many references to this and I've heard the interviews;
 
 
The NRA does their best to spin it but they dropped the ball and opened the door, plain and simple. I don't want to be divisive but the reality is the NRA is a political organization and plays politics with our rights.
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The NRA isn't perfect by any stretch, but I still support them and GOA...as well as my state group.  As with any battle, there will be victories and defeats.  We, as gun owners, are better off because of the NRA and their efforts.  Imagine where we would be if we didn't have them as an advocate in Washington and in the States.  

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The NRA was onboard with the 1968 Gun Control Act (along with big gun dealers and manufacturers).  The membership was quite pissed about that, which led to the 1977 "member revolt" lead by Neal Knox and others.

 

The current usual suspects running the NRA (the ones with the "We know better than you about your rights" attitude) shut that down with all sorts of dirty tricks.  Spoke with one person who witnessed Marion Hammer unplug the PA system during Neal Knox's speech.

 

This, plus shenanigans in 1986 and the early 1990s, helped groups like the SAF and GOA grow substantially.  It was NOT the NRA that took Heller vs DC to court, even though they claim the victory.

 

The NRA's myopic view on "gun rights" has led much of the Constitutionalist movement to label the organization as a "Fudd sporting purpose" group.

 

:soap:

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 Imagine where we would be if we didn't have them as an advocate in Washington and in the States.  

It is possible this zit that is gun control would have already come to a head and been exposed for what it is. Then possibly it could have been dealt with properly. Instead we have allowed "compromise" to compromise our values and left a mess for our Grandchildren to straighten out, one way or the other. Just imagine if our ancestors would have stood their ground against the NFA instead trading their rights for some handouts..................

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Much like the poor, gun control, in one form or another, will always be with us.  There is no completely stamping out the push for gun control because it is fundamentally tied to the left's agenda.  There is no place for an armed populace in their agenda...never has been.   In addition to being of fundamental importance to the left, Gun Control wrongly gets lumped in with crime statistics and atrocities (thinking gangland murders 1930s, instances like San Ysidro McDonalds Massacre (Bad guy stopped by police sniper :)) ) and Luby's in Kileen, Stockton, Newtown, etc).  That scares people into thinking guns are bad. 

 

Gun Control will continue to be a fight for decades to come.  There will be no one and done legislation on either side. 

 

The BATFE is on life support and will likely get swallow up by another agency, which could result in positive changes for gun owners.  

 

Again, I am an NRA and GOA supporter and recognize the strengths and weaknesses of both. 

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 last I looked the NRA has no vote in the House or Senate   <dontknow>

 

 

 This !

 

   No matter what type of infighting went on in the NRA after wards or what ever , has nothing to do with , The NRA has NO vote & didn't vote for it , your elected representatives did & they are the only ones to blame . ( the a$$ hat dem-O-Commie women on Fox's show ' The Five " said the NRA makes guns & thats why they are  against gun control , the NRA makes guns ? WTF )  Some people act as if the NRA makes these people vote this way or another , that's too easy to believe or to blame . <dontknow>

  I think everyone got the shaft on that one , probably because no one read the Bill !   :bat:

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 This !

 

   No matter what type of infighting went on in the NRA after wards or what ever , has nothing to do with , The NRA has NO vote & didn't vote for it , your elected representatives did & they are the only ones to blame . ( the a$$ hat dem-O-Commie women on Fox's show ' The Five " said the NRA makes guns & thats why they are  against gun control , the NRA makes guns ? WTF )  Some people act as if the NRA makes these people vote this way or another , that's too easy to believe or to blame . <dontknow>

  I think everyone got the shaft on that one , probably because no one read the Bill !   :bat:

Tough to argue with this.....lots of common sense and truth.

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  I think everyone got the shaft on that one , probably because no one read the Bill !   :bat:

 

You're 100% right.  How else do you think Pelosi got her ideas ... ???

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The formula politicians use is this:

 

For every 1 person we hear from about their concerns, there are 1,000 more people with the same view.  When hearing from lobby groups, they look at the organization's official stance and the number of members.

 

This gives groups like the AARP a HUGE advantage.

 

Now the fallacy in this ratio of contactors to theoretically like-minded people is that, with a group like the AARP with 20 million members means they are speaking for 20 BILLION like-minded people.

 

Politicos take that to heart.

 

So when the NRA...with 5,000,000 dues-paying members says "Yeah, we're good a law that says imported pistols need three manual safties, you can't mail order surplus rifles, and all new firearms sales must go through a Federal Firearm Licensed dealer,"  the vote-whoring politico thinks it's okay to violate his Oath to uphold the Constitution.

 

When a ZERO TOLERANCE Second Amendment group such as Gun Owners of America (GOA) or the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) tells elected politicos "No, stuff it up your arse you totalitarian San Francisco salad tosser!", they look at the memberships of 100k or so then kick them to the curb.  After saying some lame shite like...

 

"Thank-you for taking the time to give me your opinion.  While I fully support the Second Amendment and the right to own sporting purposed over/under shotguns, common sense legislation is something everyone (in that big gun lobby group) supports. Your D.C. politico <insert mass stamped signature here>."

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I have been an NRA life member since 1976 or77, which ever when the Neal Knox surprise knock out punch hit at the National meeting.  Basically just get the magazine free every month.

 

I haven't joined anything else, just watch and listen as to what the mouthy dudes all around actually do, usually not much except beg for your dollars in return for lip service.

 

IMHO AARP is a socialist insurance company.

 

I seem to get better info here than at other places, where else would I have found out the skinny about Cheaper than Dirt and the info on Super Semi-Automatic (SSA®) Trigger - Geissele Automatics.

I reckon I'll stay around........

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