Cali_Ed Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Hello all and thank you for stopping by.So my car broke down yesterday luckly my buddy is a tow truck driver so I got her home. Here is what happend: Started the car, ran for about 30 seconds then shut off. I had low fuel so I got my fuel can walked to the gas station and got some gas(2gallons). Still the car didn't turn on.I can hear the fuel pump turn on when I turn the key on to the on position. So I don't think it's my fuel source, I'm thinking no spark potentially. I have power to my head lights and such and the car cranks normally. I'm thinking starting with checking for for spark. Any advice would help as this is the only car I have for my family. And before i forget it's a 93 honda manual. And it ran fine earlier in the day Edited February 20, 2016 by Cali_Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beantown Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Put diagnostic scanner on it. It should tell you which fault is causing a no start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Ed Posted February 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Put diagnostic scanner on it. It should tell you which fault is causing a no start.I'll hav to see if anyone inow has a obd1 scanner. I've always just used a process of elimination. I'll be checking my fuses first when I get home form work today. Broke down last night so I couldn't check to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 With your apparent lack of automotive knowledge you need your buddy to haul the 93 Honda to the nearest Honda car dealers shop and while they are preparing an repair estimate check out the new and used car prices and then compare repair costs and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Ed Posted February 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) With your apparent lack of automotive knowledge you need your buddy to haul the 93 Honda to the nearest Honda car dealers shop and while they are preparing an repair estimate check out the new and used car prices and then compare repair costs and go from there.thanks for the advice brother , but before I sell my soul to a dealer mechanic I'll take a Crack at it. I've always worked on my own cars just figured I'd ask for input while um at work tospeed the process along when I get home ;) Edited February 20, 2016 by Cali_Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolndie7 Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Keep it simple, pull a spark plug and lay it on a metal part of the block to ground it, crank and see it there is spark. Go from there. Check for fuel pressure and injectors firing. You can also get codes from the old OBD systems using a paperclip. Check to see if your timing belt is still intact before you do any cranking! Edited February 20, 2016 by Toolndie7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Ed Posted February 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Keep it simple, pull a spark plug and lay it on a metal part of the block to ground it, crank and see it there is spark. Go from there. Check for fuel pressure and injectors firing. You can also get codes from the old OBD systems using a paperclip. Check to see if your timing belt is still intact before you do any cranking! Edited February 20, 2016 by Cali_Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Ed Posted February 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Thanks for the advice brother that was on my list of thinks to do, unfortuanlly already cranked it. If it is the band timing it is no issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Don't think older Hondas are interference engines depending on which engine so cranking won't hurt it. Quick Google will tell you. Timing belt could have let go and would give you those symptoms but I'd definitely check spark and fuel first. You could always crack the banjo bolt at the fuel rail and have someone key it to get the pump to kick on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Like tool said...just Google the model/engine and you can find instructions to jumper the obd plug if there is a check light on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Ed Posted February 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Don't think older Hondas are interference engines depending on which engine so cranking won't hurt it. Quick Google will tell you. Timing belt could have let go and would give you those symptoms but I'd definitely check spark and fuel first. You could always crack the banjo bolt at the fuel rail and have someone key it to get the pump to kick on.thanks sir, lat time I had a band go the crankING was higher pitched. Cranking felt and sounded normal. Definitely will be checking the plugs. Checked two last cylinder 1 and 4 one of them was pretty Fowled up. I'll have to do the paper clip thing and read the blinking light. This is why I asked I had forgot about jumping the blue plug. Thanks again guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolndie7 Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 HONDA interference engines1986-87 1.0L Prelude1973-78 1.2L All1973-78 1.3L All1980-84 1.3L All1973-78 1.5L All1985-89 1.5L Civic1988-95 1.5L Civic, CRX1993-95 1.5L Civic Del Sol1979-84 1.5L All1985-87 1.5L CRX1993-97 1.6L Civic Del Sol1973-78 1.6L All1980-82 1.6L All1988-98 1.6L Civic, CRX1984-87 1.8L Prelude, Accord1979-83 1.8L All1986-91 2.0L Prelude1990-91 2.1L Prelude1990-95 2.2L Prelude, Accord1992-98 2.2L Prelude1986-88 2.0L Accord1990-96 2.2L Accord1998 2.3L Accord1998 3.0L V6 Accord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Have you changed the fuel filter ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Ed Posted February 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Have you changed the fuel filter ?I have not, but I checked pressue at the fuel filter and fuel is pumping. I took a plug out and put it on the plug wire , cranked it and no visible spark what so ever. Took the distro cap off contacts had some kind of build up on them. Scraped them clean tried again and it was a no go still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripledeuce Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Does it have a fusiable link in the electric line? Respectfully Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Does it have a fusiable link in the electric line? Respectfully Terrygood call!! I blew one of those in my first truck what a mother to figure out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Also an ignighter (ignition control module) will kill spark if it dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolndie7 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 I have not, but I checked pressue at the fuel filter and fuel is pumping. I took a plug out and put it on the plug wire , cranked it and no visible spark what so ever. Took the distro cap off contacts had some kind of build up on them. Scraped them clean tried again and it was a no go stillYou DID ground the spark plug while cranking right? Ive seen crank or cam sensors cause a sudden no spark condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 thanks for the advice brother , but before I sell my soul to a dealer mechanic I'll take a Crack at it. I've always worked on my own cars just figured I'd ask for input while um at work tospeed the process along when I get home ;)sorry Ed, but by the text and language you led me to believe that you have little or near no experience fixing broken motor vehicles in your opening posting. Bust some nuts and knuckles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Ed Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 No worries brother I've swapped motors and clutches to disk break conversions lol. I was just bored at work. So after busting out the test light I did have power going to the ignition coil but the coil was not firing, tested the ignition modle that had power. Took the coil out tested it on it own out of the car and the power ratings were not matching up. Got a new one fires right up. I figured that what's was wrong. Just hadn't have the time to test it so I wouldn't waste a ton of money on parts I didn't need. 94 bucks though for that damn coil.Thanks again guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolndie7 Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Glad to hear you got it back up and running with out too much of a hit to the wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Ed Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Glad to hear you got it back up and running with out too much of a hit to the wallet.wellI turned the car oon for wor this mornig and ran for about ten seconds..... back to the drawing board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Ed Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 I ran the car for a while yesterday. Going to retest the coil make sure nothing is killing it, then back to testing fuel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Ed Posted February 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Fixed again and hopefully the last time. Damn old car 250k...This time a fuse was being blown thanks to some shotty spliced cables from the previous owner. I'd go to put my hand break down and the car would go out and it wouldn't run. Peeled back the rubber underneath the hand break and that's where I found the two spliced wires with out tape probably grounding them selfs on the metal bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Good detective work Cali.....its ready for another 250 k Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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