Sisco Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 11 hours ago, Doodle said: If I recall correctly, I got it a couple years ago when I purchased the rifle. Just have not shot any till now. I think I got it from Cheaper than Dirt, as that is where I found the pic posted above. I also have milsurp from PPU that I have not opened yet. I have tried the Greek and Turkish FMJ ball. Seems the Greek is on par with the Hirtenberger for me, the Turkish not as good, but I have not shot a lot of either. The OTMRP is interesting as it has annular recesses near the base of the bullet, just before the case. They can be seen in the pic above. It must be going pretty fast at only 125 gr. That is the current military "barrier blind" ammo. Look up the thread on it in the Ammo section. JT found it to be hot and lively. It is designed to penetrate, rather then deflect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 12 hours ago, Doodle said: The OTMRP is interesting as it has annular recesses near the base of the bullet, just before the case. They can be seen in the pic above. It must be going pretty fast at only 125 gr. Here is a thread with some range results from shooting into water jugs. Glad I bought a big pile of this stuff when I did! Sometime this week home I am going to get some out and try it suppressed in my P716. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Well, here's an update... Finally got a chance to put some Federal Sierra Match King 168 BTHP thru the rifle based on Matt's advice and other's recommendations. Perhaps more importantly, got some instruction from one of my club members, who is a former Marine shooting instructor (yesterday on Memorial day no less). First, for an apples-to-apples comparison, the first two are targets of 5 shots each with the old 147 gr. Hirtenberger milsurp, same as before off of sandbags at 100 yards. Was worried one was good luck and the other bad luck. The next three are 5 shots each of the 168 Federal Sierra Match King 168s. If the one "flyer" from the 5 shot groups is taken away, the remaining four shots are under an inch with the best one at half an inch. Needless to say I was quite pleased and really attribute a lot of the success to my club member Gus who gave me some great instruction on shooting, especially with respect to holding the rifle from behind (rifle out in front) and not the side like I had previously set up on the bench. We had a little wind and the cottonwood seeds are blowing here in Michigan, but boy was I happy with the Federal ammo. BTW, Gus shoots 175 gr reloads out of a Rock River 24" inch stainless barrel and showed me some astounding 5 shot groups from 0.25 to 0.5 MOA. Anyhoo, thanks to all for the suggestions and help, and yes, I do now understand that match ammo is that much better! ps - A sincere thank you to all that have served (coming from a middle aged family man and desk job guy that can never really understand all you have done for us). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Nice shooting Doodle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) Nice groups! That 168 FGMM is on sale at PSA, 15.99 a box , free shipping on ten boxes. http://palmettostatearmory.com/federal-308-168gr-sierra-matchking-bthp-gold-medal-ammunition-20rds-gm308m.html?trk_msg=9I85E80QBUCKTEAQMLP75F4SA0&trk_contact=CCM1L42B6H11OTO9IV10FHBVDG&trk_sid=OP5C6KH4D67J73U2QLOV8VNJ7O&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Ffederal-308-168gr-sierra-matchking-bthp-gold-medal-ammunition-20rds-gm308m.html&utm_campaign=Daily+Deal+Email&utm_content=5%3A00+Email Edited May 31, 2017 by jtallen83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Way to go Dooods Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Good shooting bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Thanks, guys. I am glad to provide an example of what the good advice and suggestions from you all can do. Perhaps someone else getting started can read this thread and be encouraged. I know I was a little bit disappointed early on and though maybe the gun would not be a one MOA gun. BTW, JT I got my 168s from PSA, as you pointed out. Definitely the best price around and I am hooked on the stuff now! Will have to try Magwa's suggestion of the Barnes 168TTSX solid copper bullets at some point, as he indicated that we've got the same basic gun/barrel. Another thing my fellow club member showed me was a very interesting demonstration of his reloads. He was dialing in some new loads and showed me the effect of barrel harmonic "nodes" through his loadings, where his groups converged in a low node, spread out again, then started to converge again on a high node. His take home message - can't beat proper reloads. So, will have to think if I ever would want to take it to that level. A lot to learn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 33 minutes ago, Doodle said: So, will have to think if I ever would want to take it to that level. A lot to learn... If you have the time reloading is hands down the way to go. Saves a little cash, maybe, but the improved performance is the cats arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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