JP Silent Capture Springs

[MiddleLuke]

What SCS’s are y’all running in your AR10? There’s the regular and the H2 buffer and instead of buying parts to perfect it I was hoping to get it right the first time. I have the carbine buffer tube and it’ll more than likely be a mid length gas system that I’ll never run suppressed (so no adjustable gas block unless I’m talked into it). So what are y’all running that’s been very reliable?

**first post so sorry if I messed something up, I’ve never really been into forums. I also used the search function but didn’t see a specific question like this. 

THANKS!!!

[98Z5V]

6 hours ago, MiddleLuke said:

 So what are y’all running that’s been very reliable?

Armalite EA1095 spring, in an appropriate recoil system.

"Silent Captured" anything is hype. If you have any time on ARs, and you hear that "SPROING!" that upsets so many gamer-gunners when they shoot their gamer-guns in competitions...  If they were smart, they'd hear that "annoying" SPROING everytime they fire...

...but they wouldn't hear it on the last round, when the BCG locks back on an empty magazine.  They'd know right then, that they were out - and it's time for a mag change.  Know that without even looking at the dry chamber.

Don't complicate shiit with complicated shiit.

 

[98Z5V]

By the way - you don't have an AR-10. With your gun pic, you're WAY more on the side of DPMS LR-308. But it's not AR-10, by far.

Edited February 28, 2020 by 98Z5V

[dpete]

By the looks of it that is an Aero receiver set.  Nothing about it is AR10.

We tend to get very specific with nomenclature around here.  An AR10 is made by Armalite and NO ONE else.  Anything else is a 308 AR or LR-308 or whatever the manufacturer calls it.  Being that specific prevents confusion over what parts fit with what parts.  There is no MilSpec in 308 ARs like in AR 15s and every manufacturer can go their own way in making parts. 

Be very specific in telling us what you have and we'll get you sorted out.  Or more specifically 98Z5V will get you sorted out.  Listen to what he tells you.

Edited February 28, 2020 by dpete

[MiddleLuke]

Thanks for the response. I understand it’s not a TRUE AR10 I was just being lax with my wording. I also get using correct wording to get the best help so I’ll try to a better job of that. 
 

I’m a firm believer in the Silent Capture spring. I’ve built a couple ARs and used it in those and I have a Colt AR and a work M4 that don’t have them and even my wife can tell the difference. I’m not a gamer gunner or whatever, just a dude that likes to go out shooting with family and if my wife (who knows nothing about guns) and father can feel a difference then there’s gotta be something to it. I’m not a snob about it and don’t mind shooting with regular springs but if I had the choice I’d prefer the JP.  

[Boot_Scraper]

I run Armaspec in both my 308AR and 358 Yeti AR. It sounds stupid, but I went with the "SCS" concept to avoid the noise of the buffer weights when picking the rifle up. They both shoot very well. I had to add a washer on my 308 to get the correct extension depth.

We hunt very educated and spooky deer in La. Any noise the they're gone. I hunt the thick stuff and they get pretty close. 

Check out Armaspec. They are half the price of Jp and accomplish the same result. I had a Jp in my R-25.

[MiddleLuke]

I’ll check it out. Thanks!

[392heminut]

You probably won't get much more feedback on them here, most of us just stick with the basic recoil system. It's less stuff to act up and it's a proven system. As one of our AR 308 Gurus here says, "Don't complicate schit with complicated schit!"

[BigNate]

On 2/28/2020 at 2:07 PM, Boot_Scraper said:

I run Armaspec in both my 308AR and 358 Yeti AR. It sounds stupid, but I went with the "SCS" concept to avoid the noise of the buffer weights when picking the rifle up. They both shoot very well. I had to add a washer on my 308 to get the correct extension depth.

We hunt very educated and spooky deer in La. Any noise the they're gone. I hunt the thick stuff and they get pretty close. 

Check out Armaspec. They are half the price of Jp and accomplish the same result. I had a Jp in my R-25.

Dragging an old thread back to the top of the list... sorry...  Help me with "they sound stupid" - can I read that as "stupid quiet"?   I'm developing an unhealthy obsession with taking sound out of my gun - and given that when shooting it suppressed the thing that sounds "loud" is the spring in the tube - that's the next target... 🙂

I was looking at the JP system - but totally happy to spend less if it works just as well (FWIW - neither would stay in the gun if they reduce reliability of function)... 

(waits patiently to be nut-punched by Tom)... 😛

Edited December 17, 2024 by BigNate

[shepp]

On 2/28/2020 at 2:41 PM, MiddleLuke said:

Thanks for the response. I understand it’s not a TRUE AR10 I was just being lax with my wording. I also get using correct wording to get the best help so I’ll try to a better job of that. 

First welcome

second we try staying tight on the wording to keep the confusion down due to some parts not being interchangeable. 

[98Z5V]

Nate, here's my Mantra - you don't Complicate Shiit with Complicated Shiit.  Complicate your gun, and you'll end up with complicated problems.  That silent captured shiit is for race guns.  If you're building a race gun, for a dedicated load that you'll only shoot from it - then have at it. 

Stay away from it.  Lube your receiver extension internally, lube your buffer at the contact point (outer edge of the buffer), and lube the spring.  You'll notice a decrease in the "noise" that bothers most people - because they don't know any better than to run those parts dry...

My $0.02 on it.  It's a gimmick, but a race gun part, for a tailored load, from a certain gun, for a certain competition.  For people that worry about the "SPROING" noise.  Tell you my own opinion  - I love that noise.  I hear "sproing, sproing, sproing...."    Then, when I DON'T hear it - as SOON AS I DON'T HEAR IT  - I just locked back on an empty mag...  Time to reload, right now... 

Just my opinion....

[BigNate]

On 12/17/2024 at 10:55 PM, 98Z5V said:

Nate, here's my Mantra - you don't Complicate Shiit with Complicated Shiit.  Complicate your gun, and you'll end up with complicated problems.  That silent captured shiit is for race guns.  If you're building a race gun, for a dedicated load that you'll only shoot from it - then have at it. 

Stay away from it.  Lube your receiver extension internally, lube your buffer at the contact point (outer edge of the buffer), and lube the spring.  You'll notice a decrease in the "noise" that bothers most people - because they don't know any better than to run those parts dry...

My $0.02 on it.  It's a gimmick, but a race gun part, for a tailored load, from a certain gun, for a certain competition.  For people that worry about the "SPROING" noise.  Tell you my own opinion  - I love that noise.  I hear "sproing, sproing, sproing...."    Then, when I DON'T hear it - as SOON AS I DON'T HEAR IT  - I just locked back on an empty mag...  Time to reload, right now... 

Just my opinion....

Thanks... I'm absolutely with you on the "don't Complicate Shiit with Complicated Shiit" on guns that are meant as defensive use tools.  Not sure if you've heard me babble on that topic - but the stuff I carry or leave ready for SHTF use tends to be high quality factory stuff left mechanically untouched.  When it comes to reliability / durability, I trust the hundreds of thousands of rounds of testing that DD or Sig or Colt put their stuff through more than I something that I pieced together.  

That said - right now I'm fascinated with how quiet I can make this thing... and a bunch of the fun in it is the "holy hell - the sound of the bullet impact is louder than the gun!"  So - "race gun" - no... "big goofy grin on my face suppressed subsonic range toy" - yup... 😛  

Thanks for the advice on lubing the buffer and spring.   I'm a product of military training during a window where all the prep was for combat in dry, dusty, sandy theaters, which I'm convinced is why there was so much emphasis on keeping our guns dry.  I've changed how wet I keep the bolt/carrier/etc. - but never started lubing the buffer.  I'll see how that helps first... 

 

Edited December 19, 2024 by BigNate

[shepp]

On 12/19/2024 at 8:01 AM, BigNate said:

That said - right now I'm fascinated with how quiet I can make this thing... and a bunch of the fun in it is the "holy hell - the sound of the bullet impact is louder than the gun!"  So - "race gun" - no... "big goofy grin on my face suppressed subsonic range toy" - yup... 😛 

Sounds like you need a piston gun 😁😁

my arak and jakl are like that the ffffwhack is much louder than anything on my end. 

[98Z5V]

14 hours ago, BigNate said:

That said - right now I'm fascinated with how quiet I can make this thing... and a bunch of the fun in it is the "holy hell - the sound of the bullet impact is louder than the gun!"  So - "race gun" - no... "big goofy grin on my face suppressed subsonic range toy" - yup... 😛  

THAT...   Is a worthy experiment.  Run with scissors, my friend...  

[dpete]

The one thing you cannot quiet down is the SLAM of the action as it rams home into the breech.  I don't hear the sliding of the greased spring inside the buffer tube at all when I pull the trigger on my suppressed 300 BLK, but the clack of the action is loud enough that I can't tell how quiet the shot actually is.  Someone standing a few feet away sure can, but they don't have the action slamming back and forth next to their ear.