eunichron Posted September 22 Report Posted September 22 Hey all. So, I'm not new to this forum, been coming here for over a decade, but I suppose there was a backend change at some point and lost my account. Anyway... I (maybe stupidly) jumped on Primary Arms' recent deal on stripped SR-762 lowers. Bought a pair of them for some builds I've had in mind. I'm no stranger to building large frame ARs, and thought it wouldn't be too difficult to find parts to finish the receivers and find matching uppers even with the rifles being out of production for several years. My hope was to find some Ruger or AR10A small parts to do some further test fitting to see what sticks... Numrich has a decent amount of Ruger small parts, but no takedown pins in stock. I reached out to Ruger but have not received a response yet. No dice on any Armalite small parts A or B series. Down to brass tacks... I'm looking for a source on these parts in order to finish the receivers and build a couple rifles: Small parts in general, but especially pivot and takedown pins, including springs - the takedown detent spring is longer on the Ruger since it is installed through the rear of the receiver. Bolt catch - as best I can tell an AR10A bolt catch should fit Upper receiver with DPMS threads - I've looked at the Centurion Mk11 and HTX Concepts SR25. Both look promising. I know the likelihood of them using the same pin size is next to nil. Thanks.
eunichron Posted September 22 Author Report Posted September 22 (edited) Centurion got back to me and confirmed their Mk11 upper will not mate with the SR-762 lower. He did lead me on to the Stag10 upper, which I've seen mentioned in other forums, but no confirmations that it does mate with the SR-762. Looks like OpticsPlanet has a few Stag10 uppers in stock, might pick one up for some test fitting. Edited September 22 by eunichron more information
Armed Eye Doc Posted September 23 Report Posted September 23 That's good information for the next guy looking to do the same. I saw those lowers. I was tempted but I have a couple of Diamondback large frame receiver sets for future projects.
Armed Eye Doc Posted September 23 Report Posted September 23 FYI, Diamondback is Armalite pattern and will not work for you.
98Z5V Posted September 23 Report Posted September 23 12 hours ago, eunichron said: the Stag10 upper, The Aero Precision-produced STAG-10 uppers should work. I have two of them (full receiver sets), and I actually prefer them over the standard M5 sets. They are Armalite/SR-25 cut, SR-25 pins and threading, which is DPMS-sized. Aero Precision sent out the STAG-10 lowers with takedown and pivot pins, just to make sure they worked with the lowers. They were specific to the lowers themselves, due to the lower machining. The important measurement for you to get is the diameter of the pin hole, and the width across the lower receiver at both those pin locations. On the Ruger. If you can get me that information, I can point you in the direction of pins that will work. Welcome back.
98Z5V Posted September 23 Report Posted September 23 (edited) Oh, for the takedown detent and spring, AR15 parts will work. The key is cutting a piece of stiff wire to the proper length to take up that extra distance. On the original DPMS LR-308 lower parts kit, they used a stainless steel rod, sized properly, with standard AR15 pin and spring. Detent goes in, spring goes in, rod goes in, from the back. That later changed, for DPMS, and both went in from the bottom, and were captured by the pistol grip. Edited September 23 by 98Z5V
eunichron Posted September 23 Author Report Posted September 23 51 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: The important measurement for you to get is the diameter of the pin hole, and the width across the lower receiver at both those pin locations. On the Ruger. If you can get me that information, I can point you in the direction of pins that will work. I'm on the road right now so can't gage the pin holes for a couple days, but I did test fit my MATEN upper (a newer Zev production) on the Ruger after getting them home. The Mega's pins are just slightly oversized for the Ruger's pin holes. They will fit with some force, so that leads me to believe the Ruger receivers are sized for Armalite pins. I'll know for sure come Friday. 1 hour ago, 98Z5V said: The key is cutting a piece of stiff wire to the proper length to take up that extra distance. On the original DPMS LR-308 lower parts kit, they used a stainless steel rod, sized properly, with standard AR15 pin and spring. Detent goes in, spring goes in, rod goes in, from the back. That was exactly my thought if I wasn't able to source an original lengthened spring. I did find this listing for BAD pins with an option for a rear location spring. I might just reach out to them and see if they'd be willing to send me a few springs.
98Z5V Posted September 23 Report Posted September 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, eunichron said: I did find this listing for BAD pins with an option for a rear location spring. They will not steer you wrong. I've been a devotee of them since May 2010. They make great stuff, don't lie, do what they say and say what they do... I was waiting for your measurements before I suggested them, directly. Great people, great parts. Edited September 23 by 98Z5V
eunichron Posted September 27 Author Report Posted September 27 Got some measurements in. Won't be able to take a pin gauge to the holes to confirm the caliper measurement until next week, but I'm pretty confident in these measurements. Takedown/pivot pin hole: .2770/.2775 Receiver width at the pivot pin hole: 1.3335 Receiver width at takedown pin hole: 1.1325 For s&gs and comparison's sake I took some pics of it next to my Mega lower:
eunichron Posted September 27 Author Report Posted September 27 From the information I have that points to an Armalite pattern lower parts kit... which Armalite doesn't sell direct anymore. Any guidance on where to find one, at least the pins, is most appreciated.
Armed Eye Doc Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 11 minutes ago, eunichron said: Armalite pattern lower parts kit Here is an AR10B LPK https://everygunpart.com/armalite-ar-10-b-lower-parts-kit-minus-trigger-and-grip-10lrpk-armalite-parts/ And the AR10A LPK https://everygunpart.com/armalite-ar10-a-lower-parts-kit-no-trigger-grip-a10lrpk-armalite-parts/ I don't know the difference between them or if the pins you are wanting will fit your Ruger, but they are available. Everygunpart.com is a good company to buy from. That is who Armalite farmed out their parts retail to. That Ruger is definitely an Armalite cut lower.
Armed Eye Doc Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 It will be a couple of weeks, but I may be able to see if a Ruger will work with a Diamondback. I'll have to ask my brother to bring his wife's Ruger.
shooterrex Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Armed Eye Doc said: It will be a couple of weeks, but I may be able to see if a Ruger will work with a Diamondback. I'll have to ask my brother to bring his wife's Ruger. Or ask @Belt Fed I know he has Diamondbacks and I would be surprised if he doesn't have a Ruger. at least he can measure the Diamondbacks.
eunichron Posted September 27 Author Report Posted September 27 I know some topics on other forums discuss Matrix being the OEM for both Ruger and Diamondback and that they're more or less interchangeable, but that was all pre-2021. It seems Diamondback has changed their uppers since then and they're now Armalite threaded. I'd really like to stick with DPMS threads on the upper for more compatibility. I know there are companies that will sell an Armalite barrel nut with their handguards. So that brings up something else I've never been clear on; barrel extensions and headspace. I know they used to be different between DPMS and the AR10B, but did Armalite go with DPMS dimensions on the barrels for the AR10A? I.e. will an 18tpi upper and barrel nut work on a DPMS pattern barrel? 12 hours ago, Armed Eye Doc said: Here is an AR10B LPK https://everygunpart.com/armalite-ar-10-b-lower-parts-kit-minus-trigger-and-grip-10lrpk-armalite-parts/ And the AR10A LPK https://everygunpart.com/armalite-ar10-a-lower-parts-kit-no-trigger-grip-a10lrpk-armalite-parts/ I don't know how much time I spent looking around everygunpart and didn't find those. Thanks.
98Z5V Posted September 28 Report Posted September 28 On 9/26/2026 at 4:04 PM, eunichron said: Takedown/pivot pin hole: .2770/.2775 Receiver width at the pivot pin hole: 1.3335 Receiver width at takedown pin hole: 1.1325 I have BAD Enhanced pins in my Aero M5 7mm-08 gun. The diameter works for what you listed, but the Aero M5 receiver has difference widths across the hole. Pivot pin area width on the M5 = 1.550" Takedown area width on the M5 is 1.0335" Both BAD pins protrude out of the other side of the lower, when snapped in place, by 0.069"...
eunichron Posted Tuesday at 12:15 AM Author Report Posted Tuesday at 12:15 AM (edited) double post Edited Tuesday at 12:18 AM by eunichron double post
eunichron Posted Tuesday at 12:17 AM Author Report Posted Tuesday at 12:17 AM 23 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Both BAD pins protrude out of the other side of the lower, when snapped in place, by 0.069"... I wouldn't mind protrusion, but on closer inspection the Ruger pivot pin is flattened on one side of the head just like the Armalite pins, so I don't think the BAD pins would fit regardless. I think between Numrich and EGP I should be able to piece together a mostly correct small parts kit. Just to confirm, I got my pin gauges from the shop and both receivers measured at a snug .277. I suppose I'll also order one each of a DB10 and Stag upper and see which one fits best. On further reading, I should be able to get away with using a DPMS barrel in the DB10 upper even with Armalite threads as long as I also use a DPMS bolt that headspaces properly. In any case, here are my current build plans: Mega MATEN receiver set: 6.5CM Ruger #1: 7.62 NATO battle rifle Ruger #2: 8.6BLK SBR I'll try to document what I can here since information on using aftermarket parts with the Ruger lowers seems scant. Gonna be an expensive year.
98Z5V Posted Tuesday at 01:55 AM Report Posted Tuesday at 01:55 AM 2 hours ago, eunichron said: I wouldn't mind protrusion, but on closer inspection the Ruger pivot pin is flattened on one side of the head just like the Armalite pins, so I don't think the BAD pins would fit regardless. All pivot pins have the flat on them, including the BAD pins. It's a mandatory part of the design. A pivot pin that had a fully round head wouldn't work on any AR.
98Z5V Posted Tuesday at 01:58 AM Report Posted Tuesday at 01:58 AM 2 hours ago, eunichron said: I should be able to get away with using a DPMS barrel in the DB10 upper even with Armalite threads as long as I also use a DPMS bolt that headspaces properly. This is correct. For proof of that concept, I have an Aero M5 receiver set and rail that was intentionally built with an Armalite AR-10 barrel, AR-10 BCG, and AR-10 Carbine recoil system. Runs like a Singer sewing machine. Almost all of my Large Frame ARs run the AR-10 Carbine recoil system, FWIW.
eunichron Posted Tuesday at 01:10 PM Author Report Posted Tuesday at 01:10 PM 11 hours ago, 98Z5V said: All pivot pins have the flat on them, including the BAD pins. It's a mandatory part of the design. A pivot pin that had a fully round head wouldn't work on any AR. 🤔 Almost every DPMS parts kit I've used has fully round headed pivot pins- CMMG and LUTH-AR parts kits, and the pins that come with MATEN receivers all use fully round headed pivot pins. The Panther LR-308 that I used to own had a fully round headed pivot pin. The stock photos for the BAD pins on their website also show fully round headed pivot pins, so I'm not sure where you get that statement.
98Z5V Posted Wednesday at 01:30 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 01:30 AM Yep, you're right. I just checked all 12 Large Frames that I've built, and they're all round pivot pin heads. I'm thinking about AR15 parts without checking Large Frames, apparently. That's a fukked up thing for Ruger to do. If it was me, with that receiver, I'd cut the pin. Gonna be a tough hunt Good luck.
Armed Eye Doc Posted Wednesday at 02:02 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 02:02 AM Diamondback has a cut pin like that. I need to measure them again, but I think the pivot pin is a smaller diameter.
eunichron Posted Wednesday at 02:35 AM Author Report Posted Wednesday at 02:35 AM (edited) Numrich Gun Parts has Ruger OEM pivot pins in stock, so I ordered two. Armalite also uses a cut pivot pin, so the AR10 parts kits should include the correct pins, if not a slightly different length. I'm going to order one parts kit just for testing's sake. At this point I'm pretty sure all Ruger (i.e. Matrix) did was machine a receiver that's 60% Armalite AR10(A) (pivot/takedown pins, bolt catch [although it may use a B pattern bolt catch], SR25 magwell) and 40% AR15 (fire control group). Shouldn't be too difficult to finish the receivers now. Edited Wednesday at 02:39 AM by eunichron
Armed Eye Doc Posted Wednesday at 03:12 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 03:12 AM This is Diamondback pin information Pivot pin diameter...0.264 With a $2000 dust cover in the picture. @JBMatt 🤑 Takedown pin diameter...0.277 Receiver width at pivot pin... 1.327 Receiver width at takedown pin...1.144
98Z5V Posted Wednesday at 06:27 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 06:27 AM (edited) 4 hours ago, eunichron said: At this point I'm pretty sure all Ruger (i.e. Matrix) I have a Matrix. It's not like your Ruger, from what you're describing. Matrix made them, but to their (Ruger) specs, and not what Matrix released. Edited Wednesday at 06:29 AM by 98Z5V
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