FaRKle!

Welcome to .308AR! Sorry about your wallet!

Just got my shipping notice (USPS) :).

I have the XDS-2. You can find them on sale for ~$180. The extra $70 I paid for my Atlas wasn't worth it.

"Eggroll"

I have both the GG&G and Atlas (both are QD). I like the GG&G better. It's much easier to use IMO. The Atlas is frustrating for costing as much as it does.

Blue Force Gear Ten Speed pouches and Tactical Tailor Double .308 pouches. The ITW Fastmag Heavy is another good option.

Try giving them a call. The only other place I've seen that pin is at a Canadian dealer...

Neither, get the new Griffin AK Flash Comp!

I wonder if anybody's has shipped yet. Or is this the group buy where we commit and pay, then once all orders are received the order is put into the mfg (Elftmann)?

And after adding the price of them to the AR500 armor plates you're at the same cost as a composite plate while being heavier and probably not as comfortable (single curve vs triple curve).

I'd imagine he'd have to be shooting full auto for it to get hot enough there to melt paracord. There's a lot of heatsink there.

Then we should be on the same page then <thumbsup>. Everything I've said here is from his work or from his own posts over the years.

Most AR500 steel targets are thicker than AR500 armor. That's going to matter. It also matters how they're mounted, as a free swinging plate or plate mounted against a very hard surface isn't going to behave (and be penetrated) the same as one that's supported by flesh/ballistic gelatin. No no no! Re-read the NIJ specs for hard armor please. Armor ratings ARE NOT INCLUSIVE. Please google Dr. Gary Roberts' work on hard armor testing. You'll learn a lot. Here's a start. More comprehensive and updated work can be found at LF. Plate material matters when it comes to what .223 threats will defeat it. As I've said before, polyethylene plates will stop M193, but tend to be defeated by M855 while AR500 plates will stop M855, but tend to be penetrated by higher velocity rounds such as M193. That said, there are many level III plates that will stop those non-spec threats and manufacturers often advetise them as "level III+" or "level III special threat." AR500 doesn't have a problem defeating M855.

Did you use an AR-15 rifle buffer or LR-308 rifle buffer? I see you got the correct action spring, but if you got an AR-15 rifle buffer that's your issue. The LR-308 rifle buffer is shorter. Hit up Brownells and seach part # 308BS11. That's the correct buffer for you.

7 positions (like VLTOR A5 7 position receiver extension) that allows you to have a shorter LOP option. It also probably weighs a bit less.

Yes, the .308 version works with AR-15 buffers when on a .308 AR. It's 8.25" long.

I've got a LNIB black one you can have for $35 shipped. I got it, took it out of the packaging, mounted it for a month (sat in the safe the whole time), then replaced it with a BCM Gunfighter stock. If I didn't tell you, you probably couldn't tell it'd been used.

Since the IBA OTV the military runs plates on top of soft armor. SAPI/ESAPI/XSAPI plates are ICW and require soft armor to be behind them in order to deliver their rated performance. The soft armor is used to catch any debris/spall that the plate didn't fully stop, as well as secondary fragments (plate material). Additionally it ever so slightly pads the user from the impact and plate BFD. I don't really see how your plate doesn't take the impact from a pistol round with the soft armor on top of it. Because the soft armor is on a rigid surface (plate) it can't give more than it's compression (not much) so the plate ends up taking the point impact of the round anyways even if there isn't penetration. I'm sure you'd still get cracks in a composite plate from that. When a round hits soft armor on a person both the armor and supporting material behind the armor (person/skin bag of water) compress and have some give, which spreads the energy out over a wider area.

Actually the .308 EBT is AR-10 pattern so yes, it'll interchange for the A5 receiver extension. My MK216 came with one, which I've swapped onto an AR-15 lower with A5 buffer. POF also makes an anti-tilt AR-10 receiver extension. This is what I replaced the EBT on my MK216 with (since I needed shorter LOP options).

Most plate backers are level IIIA, I know mine are. So you're using a large cut IIIA soft armor over the plate? Do your plates not have a spall liner? AR500 plates are the only ones I've seen that don't come with them. Composite plates usually have a thin spall liner, but then again they're designed to trap the spall inside the plate itself. Soft armor over hard armor still doesn't make sense to me since the hard plate will stop the soft armor threat and the soft armor behind it will lessen the blow to your body from back face deformation and is also used to catch slowed down fragments that may make it through the plate (hence ICW plates).

Is it really a screw? Nice pics!

You put plate backers in front of your hard armor? If so, why?

The brake will do more than the SCS.