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@unforgiven Wisconsin has a hunting Mentor program. https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/Education/OutdoorSkills/mentor

Something I thought of after making the last post. In my experience and others with subsonic hunting, you don't end up tracking a deer using its bloodtrail, you look for a dead deer because there isn't any bloodtrail. A sub doesn't have any hydrostatic shock that pulverizes internals like a super. The Maker expanding bullets peel open beautifully but they then tear through rather than slicing through like a broadhead. The best shot with a sub is CNS, head or neck. The 4 deer I've taken with Makers, all shots 30 yards or less. Head on with head up. Hit in chest and bullet recovered in the stomach, went 30 yards. Ground blind. Broadside through both lungs, ran 100 yards in snow. Ground blind. Broadside through at least one lung and possibly heart, went 20 yards. Tree stand, shot was downward angle. Head on with head down. Hit in the top of the neck in front of shoulder, bullet blew out the top of the heart. DRT. Ground blind None of them left any bloodtrail at all. The last one had a pond under it but that was from having the heart taken out and a drain hole at the bottom of the chest. Short shots in the neck or head for me from now on, DRT and no tracking is good for my bad knee.

As long as you realize hunting with subs is pretty much like archery with a firearm. I have all the confidence in the world of hitting what I am aiming at with a 200 grain Maker if its 50 yards and in (4 deer so far at about 30 yards). At a target they will shoot 1" groups at 50 yards, but stretch that to 100 yards and that group opens up to over twice that and drops 6". Same 8" barrel with supressor and 110gr Barnes is pretty much dead nuts at 50 and 100 yards. Same impact point but bullet rising at 50 and dropping through the same point at 100. For your son on his first hunts I would load up some 110 grain Tac-TX supres to let him gain some confidence on hitting what he is aiming at. Recoil with or without a supressor is minimal.

^^This.

@Traveler These guys are serious! @98Z5V is a fellow Vet and is probably responsible for getting more 308 ARs fixed than all the companies that make them combined. This place isn't your run of the mill gun forum. Its more like the Rec. room at the back of the house where buddies go after a huge meal to shoot the shiit, drink beer, and burp, while we talk about anything gun related.

Mine is actually overkill on my Blackouts. I got my taxstamp and built it from components before the ATF went apeshiit over companies selling the parts to do it. I intended it to go on my 308 AR so I made it 10" long to muzzle that thing. I never did mount it on the 308 but the over building sure doesn't hurt the quietness for the Blackouts. The whole description is here.

Those Ruger Ranches are fun little rifles. I've got two, a 300 BLK and a 6.5 Grendel. The BLK is BB gun quiet through my supressor using subs.

I think @unforgiven was talking about Britney Griner.

That's probably a good assumption.

Here is the new form for your viewing pleasure. Straight from the atf website. All in atf legalese gobbledygook. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

Nope, I just looked at the new form. I'm still legal! Yay!

Updated 12/9/22 What I have on hand. Pistol Calibers @ $2.00/ lb Caliber lbs 357 Mag 1/2 38 Special 2 45 ACP (large primer) 5 3/4 45 ACP (small primer) 6 1/4 Rifle Calibers @ $ .25 each Caliber # of pieces 224 Valkyrie 2 260 1 300 Win Mag 10 308 Win Match (Hornady) 6 spoken for 308 Win (LC headstamp) 157 spoken for 35 Rem 6 45-70 2 spoken for 450 Bushmaster 46 450 Marlin 4 6.5 Creedmoor 125 7mm-08 15 7mm-08 (nickel) 9 7mm Mag 18 7mm Mag (nickel) 10 7.62X39 (boxer primed brass) 43 Rifle Calibers @ $ .10 each Caliber # of pieces 300 BLK (factory brass) 29 Pistol Calibers @ $ .10 each Caliber # of pieces 10 mm (Large Primer) 854 10 mm (small primer) 232 357 Sig 88 38 Super 120 38 super (nickel) 32 44 Mag 58 45 Colt 3

Just putting this out here. https://gatdaily.com/no-serial-number-no-problem/?utm_source=GATdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12_9

Yep, for subsonic functioning in an AR, 300 BLK is the way to go. I just took my 4th deer with my 200 gr Maker handload. As the shooter I can't tell how quiet the gun is because of the action slamming back and forth next to my ear. 970-980 fps is the speed range mine likes with 3 different bullet weights. The Ruger American Ranch is my mousefart rifle with the same supressor, no action clanking around.

Definitely not an Aero. But it does appear to have a Diamondback BCG in it. Everything on Diamondback's site has the AR10 slant back. Note the little A above the forward assist and the position of the forward assist itself.

Hey! Most of us are old, some older than others, and a lot of us seem to have common aches and pains in joints and other places that got abused in the past. But at least we all can point a gun and shoot straight. I hope.

I've got a lightly used AR15 sized Mech Armor TacOps I can part with.

Set up properly, the rear of the scope should be just in front of the latch and handle of the charge handle. Your nose should almost touch the rear of the charge handle when sighting.

The soft points do work in an AR but you have to be able to accept that the tips get dinged by the feedramps. Being soft points they are hunting rounds. If your hunting distances are short, say 100 yards and in, use them. My handload sp bullets were about moa accurate at 100 yards.

I hope I make it to Medicare before I have to get the knee operated on.

Hemi, those Cortisone shots ain't cheap! I had one this past January thinking that because the injury was work related that the shot would be covered. Surprise! Damn Fed Ex denied the claim and I was stuck getting a shot that cost me over 1K. The worst was I couldn't tell if it did anything for me or not. YMMV

Welcome from WI. Lived in La Grange for 3 years in the 80s. @shooterrex and I were practically neighbors and didn't even know it.

Seems a waste of ammo using it on individual soldiers, other than the fear factor that sets in on the recieving end when a buddy vaporizes on impact.

By Lucas Bernard It was April, 1945. Kriegsmarine U-Boat 1206 was underway prowling off the coast of Aberdeenshire, Scotland. Captain Karl Adolf Schlitt needed to take a shiit. At this stage in the war, U-boat rations mostly consisted of preserved bread and bratlingspluver, a soy-based meat filler. Luckily, this submarine was equipped with a state-of-the-art toilet. Unlike most similar craft at the time, U-1206 did not have to store its waste in onboard septic tanks, a feature that freed up much needed stowage space. It instead had a marvelous piece of German engineering, a toilet that pushed shiit into a pressurized airlock to be jettisoned directly out to sea. Typical of such Teutonic tech, this toilet was incredibly complicated and required special training to operate—to flush—correctly. Time was of the essence, and the call of duty did not allow Captain Schlitt to find a toilet specialist. After a little tinkering with the order of operations, Schlitt admitted defeat and sought aid from an enlisted man. One may ask, why was proper toilet procedure so important? An overflowing toilet on land is a nuisance, but on a U-boat, it was a death trap. The battery used in U-boats was highly susceptible to chemical reactions with water. When exposed, it produced chlorine gas. In their wisdom, German engineers located the battery directly underneath the bathroom. Captain Schlitt tried to explain what he had done so far to the toilet, but unfortunately was not as descriptive as he should have been. The sailor turned a valve and a pressurized mix of waste and seawater rushed back into the sub. Racing against the deadly gas filling the submarine, Schlitt burst into action to surface as quickly as possible. The crew blew the ballast tanks and fired off their torpedoes to lose weight. But as they surfaced, they found themselves in even deeper shiit: The British were there to greet them. Schlitt ordered the sub to be scuttled and the men to go overboard. Three men drowned to death and the rest were captured by the British. Captain Schlitt’s shiit still reigns today as the most expensive wartime bowel movement in naval history.

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